Summer 2019 Roster Discussion

[infection]

You broke up with Niko?

No. We’re not going to pursue Niko. I mean, our name will be floated, and we’ll be “aggressive,” but he’ll ultimately sign somewhere for a lot less than Love. Don’t mistake me saying we’re landing Love with me wanting to land Love. I put the acquisition of Love as the highest probable guy to come on board.

 

[latin jazz]

No. We’re not going to pursue Niko. I mean, our name will be floated, and we’ll be “aggressive,” but he’ll ultimately sign somewhere for a lot less than Love. Don’t mistake me saying we’re landing Love with me wanting to land Love. I put the acquisition of Love as the highest probable guy to come on board.

That contract though...

 

[Sneakers]

I don't think this team's ceiling if you replace Rubio and Favors with just Kevin Love is any higher than it is right now. It might be worse

 

[fishonjazz]

I don't think Rubio will be back. He is not a long term fit with Donovan and I feel confident our FO is aware of this. The honeymoon "development" period is over and we need to do some serious team building.

I think Favors might be back, just not on the massive contract. Favors would be a great player to keep as Jazz lifer, in a steady bench roll. The questions are would he take a long term reduced salary deal without a starting spot? Maybe not. Either way its doubtful his option is picked up (pretty sure that doesn't prohibit us from resigning him to a different deal).

I made the thread about this, but think we should take a long look at D-Lo. Honestly, not opposed to Jabari in theory (as sometimes starter, sometimes bench, 20 minutes a game but not a key cog), but have a feeling those attitude issues are not going away anytime soon.

I too would take a long look at D-lo.
He went off again last night. 36 points, 8 assists, 7 rebounds. Played 43 minutes.

Young with potential. Can shoot and pass.

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[infection]

That contract though...

Hey, you don't have to convince me.

I don't think this team's ceiling if you replace Rubio and Favors with just Kevin Love is any higher than it is right now. It might be worse

I think it would depend on a number of things. The first is what the PG situation is. If you were even able to retain Rubio, then it really depends on Love's health. If he can play a reasonable amount of games and is still an 18/10 guy, then I think, for the next two years at least, we will put up really solid regular seasons ad can win 55-60. I don't know what that translates to in the playoffs, though.

 

[LoPo]

I too would take a long long at D-lo.
He went off again last night. 36 points, 8 assists, 7 rebounds. Played 43 minutes.

Young with potential. Can shoot and pass.

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I would love to add Russell. I would rather spend $32 million on Russell than $35 on Conley.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

Russell might be the type of restricted free agent you could steal with a max. They might still match... I would be frightened to sign him for that much. He has improved and I think he has grown up from his Laker days.

I’d probably talk myself into him but he is definitely not first on my list.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Hey, you don't have to convince me.

I think it would depend on a number of things. The first is what the PG situation is. If you were even able to retain Rubio, then it really depends on Love's health. If he can play a reasonable amount of games and is still an 18/10 guy, then I think, for the next two years at least, we will put up really solid regular seasons ad can win 55-60. I don't know what that translates to in the playoffs, though.

You kinda hit on why I don’t want love. It’s a big swing for a mediocre gain. Just not worth the risk. I’d want an asset to take on that albatross and even then I wouldn’t love it... they likely want a small asset for him. I think you pay a trade premium for the name and it doesn’t make sense to me.

 

[LoPo]

Russell might be the type of restricted free agent you could steal with a max. They might still match... I would be frightened to sign him for that much. He has improved and I think he has grown up from his Laker days.

I’d probably talk myself into him but he is definitely not first on my list.

I agree with all of this.

If we end up with a max Russell, he is an asset. Resigning guys like Favors and Rubio help maintain the status quo whereas Russell is an aggressive move which we hope takes us that next step. If he doesn't, he is still a trade asset we can trade for other assets. Rubio and Favors are not trade assets.

I would rather get other targets but I would be happy if this is our main off-season acquisition.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

No. We’re not going to pursue Niko. I mean, our name will be floated, and we’ll be “aggressive,” but he’ll ultimately sign somewhere for a lot less than Love. Don’t mistake me saying we’re landing Love with me wanting to land Love. I put the acquisition of Love as the highest probable guy to come on board.

On the Niko front. I think the Bucks did that in part because they will replace Lopez with Niko next year. I think they may be willing to pay a bunch and needed the caphold on the books.

To keep Lopez they probably need to drop below the cap use space then re-sign their guys... difficult to do with Malcolm because once he signs a restricted offer his caphold jumps up.

I’m curious to see what Lopez gets... not a fit here but curious what he gets and where he lands.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I agree with all of this.

If we end up with a max Russell, he is an asset. Resigning guys like Favors and Rubio help maintain the status quo whereas Russell is an aggressive move which we hope takes us that next step. If he doesn't, he is still a trade asset we can trade for other assets. Rubio and Favors are not trade assets.

I would rather get other targets but I would be happy if this is our main off-season acquisition.

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There is something to be said for this too. As long as guys are healthy and mildly productive they still have trade value. Barnes was viewed as a big overpay but delivered on court value and was moved for expirings and a decent wing prospect... likely could have fetched a first.

I think Brooklyn would almost certainly match and figure out their other stuff later. I’ll have to look at their cap situation but I think the only way it’d change is if they had a big free agent signing there and they needed to get Russell’s caphold off the books.

 

[infection]

On the Niko front. I think the Bucks did that in part because they will replace Lopez with Niko next year. I think they may be willing to pay a bunch and needed the caphold on the books.

To keep Lopez they probably need to drop below the cap use space then re-sign their guys... difficult to do with Malcolm because once he signs a restricted offer his caphold jumps up.

I’m curious to see what Lopez gets... not a fit here but curious what he gets and where he lands.

In a year, I really think people will see that you've gotta go for the bird in the hand. People didn't want to give up a draft pick for Niko last year because "oh, we'll just sign him as a free agent this summer." Then his option gets picked up and it's "oh, we'll just trade expirings for him on draft nigh." Then we find out you can't do that, then it's "oh, we'll just trade for him at the deadline when it's clear AD leaves." Now it's "oh, we don't need to give up assets for a rental when we can just sign him in the summer." Then not having bird rights will bite us in the *** and year from now, people will be pretty depressed, even if they don't like Niko, because we'll be sitting here seeing Niko on a 3-4 year deal at $18M, while we've got four more year of Kevin Love at 30+M per year. Oh, and all that "OMG don't give up draft picks" stuff? Yeah, we're trading a first and second rounder to land Love.