The Biden Administration and All Things Politics

[Bucknutz]

Just to make sure I understand you, you are talking about a government listing of (to pick one topic) every single Facebook post that gets a polling place wrong, with information about the user, date and time, Facebook group, etc., listed publicly, so that any entity at all comb over this list and use this information in any way they see fit? If that's not what you picture, please clarify. If it is, I quite frankly find that a more terrifying prospect than a portal where the government reports such things discreetly. YMMV.

No, Im saying the government should have an official place to put official government information out. Then the companies can use that information on their sites. Which the company can remove, edit, caution posts that have incorrect information that they choose. If a company decides to use some information provided, such as official government voting locations, and then not other information such as vaccinated can't spread covid, they have the choice. Not having meetings and portals discussing what the messaging to be. Im asking for separation when it comes to government and private entities.

 

[fishonjazz]

Even though you heard about the man made more frequently, what was the narrative? When you heard about it, was it "Covid origin made in lab is a conspiracy theory" or was it more "Covid origin made in lab is a plausible origin"?

Im genuinely asking, when you consumed the information, did you think it was a conspiracy theory?

Im asking again, at the time, was it considered misinformation that if you got vaccinated you could still get covid. The answer was yes.

Is this not a way to control speech? Create a narrative saying, Wuhan Lab origin is a conspiracy theory to the masses. Then the people who consume that information, silences the others who push back and say there is another plausible origin? Even though you don't actually have the correct information?

There is a portal to Facebook and instagram through https://www.facebook.com/xtakedowns/login, where the government can request suppression and throttle. Here is the link from the article https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23129270-fb-portal.

If it was not happening, why would there be a link for requests?

Are you thinking this is a conspiracy theory as well?

The virus being man made seemed completely plausible when i heard about it.

Originally i thought the vaccine would protect me from getting covid. But very quickly i knew for a fact that it didnt. Not only was it plausible and not a conspiracy theory but it was the obvious truth.

Again, members of congress literally tout the information that you believe the government is silencing. So its 100% a conspiracy theory that the government is silencing this information.


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[One Brow]

No, Im saying the government should have an official place to put official government information out. Then the companies can use that information on their sites.

How does that help the companies find posts with disinformation?

Then the company can remove, edit, caution posts that have incorrect information that they choose.

After they find them. Whose reading all these posts to find the misinformation? Does Facebook need to hire a specialist on the elections locations in Kansas in the year 2022 in order to avoid spreading misinformation? If that level of employment sustainable for them?

If a company decides to use some information provide, such as official government voting locations, and then not other information such as vaccinated can't spread covid, they have the choice.

They have that choice under the current system. I don't see what gains you are envisioning.

Not having meetings and portals discussing what the messaging to be. Im asking for separation when it comes to government and private entities.

That sounds like something out of a textbook. Reality is messy. Everything that happens in government is affected by private entities, and vice-versa.

 

[Bucknutz]

The virus being man made seemed completely plausible when i heard about it.

Agreed

Originally i thought the vaccine would protect me from getting covid. But very quickly i knew for a fact that it didnt. Not only was it plausible and not a conspiracy theory but it was the obvious truth.

I think most people were this way as well.

Again, members of congress literally tout the information that you believe the government is silencing. So its 100% a conspiracy theory that the government is silencing this information.

Not everyone is getting information from members of congress. I honestly don't believe many in congress. Once again, my problem is having government and business working together in facts, fiction, narrative and information, when the government doesn't have a stellar history of telling the truth.

 

[fishonjazz]

Agreed

I think most people were this way as well.

Not everyone is getting information from members of congress. I honestly don't believe many in congress. Once again, my problem is having government and business working together in facts, fiction, narrative and information, when the government doesn't have a stellar history of telling the truth.

What do you mean by the government doesnt have a stellar history of telling the truth? The government isnt a person. Its thousands of people. Can you name some group of thousands of people that does have a stellar history of telling the truth?


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[fishonjazz]

In todays society with the prevelance of the internet and cell phones no one has to worry about any information being silenced. Anyone can put anything they want on the internet and it will be seen and heard.
Musk posted disinformation to twitter and 300,000 people read it and hundreds of thousands re tweeted it in less than an hour.


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[Bucknutz]

How does that help the companies find posts with disinformation?

Why should the government be involved with private business processes? What disinformation? What the government tells the companies is disinformation? Or actual disinformation? Very subjective. That is why I presented 2 topics that had subjective material.

After they find them. Whose reading all these posts to find the misinformation? Does Facebook need to hire a specialist on the elections locations in Kansas in the year 2022 in order to avoid spreading misinformation? If that level of employment sustainable for them?

Why should the government read all the posts? Why is the government involved at all with a private business policies and procedures.

They have that choice under the current system. I don't see what gains you are envisioning.

Exactly, its the business that needs to improve. Its should not be the Government helping shape messages.

That sounds like something out of a textbook. Reality is messy. Everything that happens in government is affected by private entities, and vice-versa.

Okay, here's a scenario. Trump gets elected, he works with Musk, behind scenes, to limit negative information about him on twitter. So users can't read publications, retweet information, share videos unless they are in a positive form. You have no issues with that? Your fine with it because its "Government". Its Trumps "Government" truth. Everything else is fake and conspiracy theories? Then everyone on the right can shout you down for being a conspiracist trying to bring up other information.

Playing a dangerous game here with Government and Private companies working together on information.

 

[Bucknutz]

In todays society with the prevelance of the internet and cell phones no one has to worry about any information being silenced. Anyone can put anything they want on the internet and it will be seen and heard.
Musk posted disinformation to twitter and 300,000 people read it and hundreds of thousands re tweeted it in less than an hour.


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Exactly my point to One brow. You are having the government working with private companies to create messaging or limit messaging that they don't like.

 

[Bucknutz]

What do you mean by the government doesnt have a stellar history of telling the truth? The government isnt a person. Its thousands of people. Can you name some group of thousands of people that does have a stellar history of telling the truth?


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I can't help you here, if you can't figure out that the government doesn't tell you the truth. But I know you hate Trump, here are some lies from him. I bet you would love to have these lies presented as truth on Social platforms because they are working together regulating truth.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/16/politics/fact-check-dale-top-15-donald-trump-lies/index.html

 

[fishonjazz]

Exactly my point to One brow. You are having the government working with private companies to create messaging or limit messaging that they don't like.

But im getting that information more than ever so it doesnt track.


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[fishonjazz]

I can't help you here, if you can't figure out that the government doesn't tell you the truth. But I know you hate Trump, here are some lies from him. I bet you would love to have these lies presented as truth on Social platforms because they are working together regulating truth.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/16/politics/fact-check-dale-top-15-donald-trump-lies/index.html

Trumps lies were presented as truth literally all the time on social media silly. They still are today

The government has never spoken to me in my life. I have never listened to a government radio station. Never read a government newspaper. never watched a government television channel. Never went to a government website.

If im getting lies from somewhere its from a non government source. Literally everytime. If trump lies to me he isnt the government. He is a person. (Other people in the government are telling me the exact opposite from trump at the same time. Its not a singular entity hive mind. Its thousands of individual people) And the way im getting his lie is through a non governmental source. (Fox news, nbc, yahoo, ksl radio etc)


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[fishonjazz]

Funny thing is that when i was a kid pretty much everyone got all their information from the same place and the information was pretty much all the same. (In my city everyone got their info from the sl tribune or D news or nbc, abc, or cbs.)
If there was a virus and everyone pretty much felt the same way about it. Almost no one was thinking it was a hoax. Pretty much everyone beleived vaccines were a good thing and they worked.
Information was severely limited and restricted back then in comparison to today. And we were much more united.

I wish we could go back to when information was much more limited.


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