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And as far as separating asylum seekers, there is no way Trump's administration would be allowed to separate them, as there is international law that would prevent him from doing so.

First, I appreciate both your expertise and your tone in this discussion. Thank you.

Still, you're naive if you think something like international law is going to stop Trump from mistreating immigrants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump..._to_accept_asylum_seekers_at_border_crossings

Two weeks after President Trump was inaugurated on January 20, 2017, the administration reviewed the idea of separating immigrant children from their mothers as a way to deter asylum-seekers.[31][41] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump...ion_policy#cite_note-Ainsley_June_19,_2018-41
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump...ion_policy#cite_note-Ainsley_June_19,_2018-41

In February 2017, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) asylum chief John Lafferty told DHS employees that the Trump administration was "in the process of reviewing" several policies aimed at lowering the number of asylum seekers to the United States, which included the idea of separating migrant mothers and children.[41]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump...ion_policy#cite_note-Ainsley_June_19,_2018-41

ProPublica audio tape[edit]
On June 18, 2018, as reporters waited for a briefing by the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen, ProPublica posted a recording of crying children begging for their parents just after being separated from them, which the reporters listened to as they waited for her to speak. Nielsen arrived and spoke, blaming Congress for the administration's policy of separating parents from their children and saying that there would be no change in policy until Congress rewrote the nation's immigration laws. At one point during the briefing, New York magazine reporter Olivia Nuzzi played the tape. Nielsen refused to answer any questions about the material in the tape, such as "How is this not child abuse?"[108]

Most of the tape consists of children crying and wailing for their parents, but a six-year-old girl is heard to repeatedly beg that her aunt be called, who she is certain will come and pick her up. ProPublica was able to contact the aunt, however the aunt was unable to assist for fear that her own petition of asylum would be put in jeopardy due to the recent Trump Administration decision to discontinue asylum protections for victims of gang and domestic violence. The aunt said that she was able to keep in touch with her niece by phone and that she had talked to her sister; however, her sister had not yet been allowed to speak with her child. The aunt said that the authorities had told the child that her mother may be deported without her.[109]

Commenting on President Trump's executive order and how it was related to the tape of the children crying, Republican commentator Leslie Sanchez commented on Face the Nation, "And a lot of Republicans I talked to, even bundlers, people that put big amounts of money together, said, when they heard the cries of the children, without visual, being separated, that was the moment where America knew this was too far. And that's when the president retreated."[110]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_family_separation_policy#cite_note-110

Representative Pramila Jayapal met with dozens of mothers whose children had been taken from them, and reported that in some cases, Border Patrol agents told the mothers that "their families don't exist anymore."[77] The Boston Globe interviewed foster parents in Michigan who were caring for four children that had been taken from their parents; a six-year-old boy, two eight-year-old girls, and a nine-year-old boy. Only one of the children, the six-year-old, knew where his parent was. The boy and his father, from Honduras, had crossed the border six months previously in an attempt to claim asylum, and he had not seen him since he had been led away in handcuffs.[15] In May 2018, another Honduran man, Marco Antonio Muñoz, 39, committed suicide after his 3-year-old son was forcibly taken and separated from him by Border Patrol Agents. The man had crossed the Rio Grande with his son and his wife and turned himself and his family in to authorities to ask for asylum.[156]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_family_separation_policy#cite_note-156
 
My username comes from one of my favourite novels

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkness_at_Noon

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I just finished another one of Koestler's biographies, The Invisible Writing, Scum of the Earth and Dialogue with Death which are both biographies are also excellent. Most of the history I did was the history of left wing movements, for a time i was involved with far left politics but no so much anymore.
I'll check it out thanks.

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First, I appreciate both your expertise and your tone in this discussion. Thank you.

Still, you're naive if you think something like international law is going to stop Trump from mistreating immigrants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump..._to_accept_asylum_seekers_at_border_crossings
To be clear, Trump will stretch the law as far as he can, and if he can abuse asylum seekers in a way that does not defy international law, he probably will, and will do so to the limit available to him based on guidance with his advisors.

Obama seriously considered the separations too according to an old NY Times article I recall reading quoting on of his advisors. Thankfully the idea did not gain traction. Obama was then criticized for detaining families in overcrowded facilities. Damned if you do or don't.

My comment was that Trump cannot prosecute asylum seekers as international law clearly prohibits it. He can detain them, separate them, and deport them if they don't meet the qualification test for asylum seekers. And I am sure he will also push those tests to the limits.
 


But clearly you’ve been following this situation relatively closely... lol


I saw Homeland Security put out a notice on this well before the President did. But, yeah, keep on hating. Sorry if I don't live my life on Twitter hoping to find something to cry about like you do.
 
I saw Homeland Security put out a notice on this well before the President did. But, yeah, keep on hating. Sorry if I don't live my life on Twitter hoping to find something to cry about like you do.

My advice is place him on ignore. No good can come from interaction with him.
 
I saw Homeland Security put out a notice on this well before the President did. But, yeah, keep on hating. Sorry if I don't live my life on Twitter hoping to find something to cry about like you do.

You asked who was peddling the unfounded claim that “unknown middle easterners” were traveling in this caravan and I responded. You don’t have to live on twitter to have known about this. Especially if you’re following this story “relatively closely.” Literally every major news outlet had reported that Trump had made this outrageous claim. You asked a question and I responded.

I’m sorry that you didn’t like my response
 
My advice is place him on ignore. No good can come from interaction with him.

Especially when one so desperately want their poorly informed political opinions to be vindicated. I don’t tolerate bs and operate in the world of facts. So when people try to defend the xenophobia spewed by the president about this caravan, don’t expect to be treated well by me.
 
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