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The elephant in the room (Rudy Gobert)

Handlogten's Heros said:
I love Mike but he didn't materially change the pick last year and we ended up doing really well on it. In a year I doubt Mike is able to continue to help all that much. He also may be out of their price range. It was a calculated risk but not a big mistake imo since we don't have their pick this year. They are in cap hell starting next year and will not likely retain Mike and/or Kyle Anderson. The still have great building blocks and the pick next year is likely in the 20s without a major injury. We ended up getting cornered a bit since LA really wanted Russell over Conley.
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The real thing that the Mike pick could hurt our MIN picks is recovering Rudy and KAT value for future adjustment trades (with now that they're good to great, Rudy and Mike are on the wrong side of 30, and KAT still a huge question mark for their playoffs aspirations on both sides of the court), but at the end of the day, they already had longterm control of Edwards, McDaniels and Naz Reid, so If they were to buyout Rudy and trade KAT for whatever crap would they be able to get in return, they problably would have enough to not be bottom 5, possibly not even bottom 10, at least for the 25 pick. And for the 27 (and 29) pick you're banking on Ant being too big a star to wanna stay there
 
The thing to be really talked about this topic is clearly one

The trade principles of the Rudy deal had a better logic of team construction behind It than the Cavs made for Donovan

The Wolves looked at Rudy thinking "what If we actually give him backline and PoA defenders, and have options If a team wanna screw his offensive value by switching everything"

The Cavs looked at Mitchell and ended up with "you know what, lets repeat Dame and CJ, Mitchell and Conley problems of redundance of offensive skillsets and defensive shortcomings"
 
infection said:
People bringing up Rudy’s supposed playoff defensive failures is like people thinking bringing up LeBron having the most NBA finals turnovers is some kind of own.
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Except LeBron has 4 championships and Rudy has never even been to the WCF and has regularly been played off the court by scrubs including Bertans and Mann.
 
YoungJefe said:
Except LeBron has 4 championships and Rudy has never even been to the WCF and has regularly been played off the court by scrubs including Bertans and Mann.
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The point being made was perhaps a bit too deep for you to catch so I'll spell it out: people criticize LeBron for having more turnovers in NBA finals history than anyone. That's not an indictment on LeBron... it's a testament to the volume of games and minutes he's played in the finals... because he's often in the finals. Vince Carter has a lot less finals turnovers, as does Tracy McGrady, Gilbert Arenas, Monta Ellis, Rashard Lewis and Zydrunas Ilgauskus. Those guys must be better. Dante Exum has never missed a game-winning shot. Ever. Yet Stephen Curry has missed tons of game-winning shots. Makes much more sense to put the ball in Dante's hands, right?

I was going to spell this out more specifically where this was headed, but I'm hoping with me laying out the pattern for you that you can fill in the blank on what this means with regard to Rudy Gobert's supposedly playoff defensive failings.
 
infection said:
The point being made was perhaps a bit too deep for you to catch so I'll spell it out: people criticize LeBron for having more turnovers in NBA finals history than anyone. That's not an indictment on LeBron... it's a testament to the volume of games and minutes he's played in the finals... because he's often in the finals. Vince Carter has a lot less finals turnovers, as does Tracy McGrady, Gilbert Arenas, Monta Ellis, Rashard Lewis and Zydrunas Ilgauskus. Those guys must be better. Dante Exum has never missed a game-winning shot. Ever. Yet Stephen Curry has missed tons of game-winning shots. Makes much more sense to put the ball in Dante's hands, right?

I was going to spell this out more specifically where this was headed, but I'm hoping with me laying out the pattern for you that you can fill in the blank on what this means with regard to Rudy Gobert's supposedly playoff defensive failings.
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I'll give you another one, outside the basketball world:

When Bill Clinton was going to have open-heart surgery, they were selecting the surgeon for the job. They found one guy with the most experience with this condition but ended up eliminating him because he had more malpractice cases against him and went with someone else. This was the wrong decision. Why?

Maybe that's too vague.

Your local ICU doctor has had multiple patients die in the past month. Your primary care physician likely hasn't. If you end up in the hospital on a ventilator, which of those two do you want taking care of you?

Still too vague?

People admitted to the ICU following a motor vehicle accident are many orders of magnitude more likely to die than those discharged from the emergency department. Make sure to fill out an advanced directive so if you end up unconscious, they know to discharge you home rather than admit you to the ICU.
 
infection said:
I'll give you another one, outside the basketball world:

When Bill Clinton was going to have open-heart surgery, they were selecting the surgeon for the job. They found one guy with the most experience with this condition but ended up eliminating him because he had more malpractice cases against him and went with someone else. This was the wrong decision. Why?

Maybe that's too vague.

Your local ICU doctor has had multiple patients die in the past month. Your primary care physician likely hasn't. If you end up in the hospital on a ventilator, which of those two do you want taking care of you?

Still too vague?

People admitted to the ICU following a motor vehicle accident are many orders of magnitude more likely to die than those discharged from the emergency department. Make sure to fill out an advanced directive so if you end up unconscious, they know to discharge you home rather than admit you to the ICU.
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mate i think you're preaching to the willfully moronic
 
infection said:
The point being made was perhaps a bit too deep for you to catch so I'll spell it out: people criticize LeBron for having more turnovers in NBA finals history than anyone. That's not an indictment on LeBron... it's a testament to the volume of games and minutes he's played in the finals... because he's often in the finals. Vince Carter has a lot less finals turnovers, as does Tracy McGrady, Gilbert Arenas, Monta Ellis, Rashard Lewis and Zydrunas Ilgauskus. Those guys must be better. Dante Exum has never missed a game-winning shot. Ever. Yet Stephen Curry has missed tons of game-winning shots. Makes much more sense to put the ball in Dante's hands, right?

I was going to spell this out more specifically where this was headed, but I'm hoping with me laying out the pattern for you that you can fill in the blank on what this means with regard to Rudy Gobert's supposedly playoff defensive failings.
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I mean Rudy has continuously been played off the floor in the playoffs dude and that has resulted in early playoff exits every year of his career. His style of play isn't built for the playoffs and he will be exposed again in 5 months.
 
gomretat said:
I agree it wasn't working - that was very clear - which is why I was a fan of trading one of the two. The issue was between Don and Rudy. There was no reason to trade both of them.
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You had to trade Don because he wasn't resigning. Now you have a lack of offensive firepower around Rudy and the team is mediocre. Better to blow it up
 
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