The Official 2014/15 Tank Watch thread

[HighlandHomie]

its about developing a winning culture. **** tanking. if we win the lotto and get a top 3 pick great, if not - who cares. We can either trade the pick or take someone who may fit. We've already got our horses (Hayward, Favors, Rudy, Burks, Hood, Exum, Booker (?)) - time to build around them! This offseason is going to be monumental for us! JAZZ BABY

 

[Stifle Tower]

This. Drafting Xavier Mchenry at 12 with Hayward and George going 9/10 probably didn't seem like a big deal at the time, either. Obviously nobody can say for sure if this draft will be a similar situation, but I believe there'll be a significant drop off at about 10, depending on who falls.

WEll, even in the draft you mentioned, Bledsoe was taken #18. So it's not necessarily a dropoff from a starter to a scrub as you paint it. And getting a higher draft pick doesn't necessarily mean a better player. Jazz drafted Burks when Kawhi Leonard was available. Giannis or even Schroder would have been a better pick than Trey. There is no reason to go around weeping, wailing and gnashing our teeth over finishing 12th instead of 9th. IF Utah keeps the pick, they're going to get a backup wing or backup big with the pick. They simply take the BPA. And they fill the other need(s) via free agency. Utah's real need, IMO, is at PG. But there is NO ONE in the 9-12 range that could improve the team. I could see the Jazz POSSIBLY trading back and taking Grant for our 3rd PG. Or, more likely, I could see Lindsey trade for a veteran with this pick.

 

[The Midnight]

What's the difference between "develop a winning culture" in the last 10 games of the season VS the first 10 games of the season?



What would you rather have?



Great last 10 games (of this season) + #12 pick VS Great first 10 games (of next season) + #9 pick

 

[framer]

What's the difference between "develop a winning culture" in the last 10 games of the season VS the first 10 games of the season?



What would you rather have?



Great last 10 games (of this season) + #12 pick VS Great first 10 games (of next season) + #9 pick

I want a great 10 games to end the season THEN an even better 10 games at the start of next season. Every game we play successfully with our stars in Quin's gameplan puts us closer to the playoffs next year, which HAS to happen. the #9 guy over the #12 guy really isn't going to mean much in the long run. Hood is probably better than whoever we would get at #9 and we still haven't really incorporated him like we would want. We still have to find time for Burks too. #12 is likely going to be traded or a project, because we have enough youth to be honest. Getting Tomic would be really nice though, because a backup for Gobert is definitely needed.

 

[The Midnight]

I want a great 10 games to end the season THEN an even better 10 games at the start of next season. Every game we play successfully with our stars in Quin's gameplan puts us closer to the playoffs next year, which HAS to happen. the #9 guy over the #12 guy really isn't going to mean much in the long run. Hood is probably better than whoever we would get at #9 and we still haven't really incorporated him like we would want. We still have to find time for Burks too. #12 is likely going to be traded or a project, because we have enough youth to be honest. Getting Tomic would be really nice though, because a backup for Gobert is definitely needed.

I disagree that the #9 guy isn't much better than #12 ... Currently DX has Stanley Johnson at #9 and Myles Turner at #12. That is a big jump in talent IMO.

 

[The Midnight]

Also remember that year we made the playoffs and got swept by the Spurs? Then remember what happened the very next season?

 

[Stoked]

You're being emotional and irrational right now... why don't you take 5, have a cuppa and then we can talk?

DL is also done with losing. Look at the moves, he is preparing for a late lottery pick.

The time of losing is over. Jazz wont be in the lottery at least 5+ seasons.

Hope my bandwagon's tires don't leave tracks on your face when I run you over!

 

[The Midnight]

DL is also done with losing. Look at the moves, he is preparing for a late lottery pick.

The time of losing is over. Jazz wont be in the lottery at least 5+ seasons.

Hope my bandwagon's tires don't leave tracks on your face when I run you over!

If you truly believe this statement is true, what's losing 7 games at the end of a losing season's gonna do?


We're gonna be so good we'll win next 5+ seasons anyway right? LOL ...

 

[Stoked]

If you truly believe this statement is true, what's losing 7 games at the end of a losing season's gonna do?


We're gonna be so good we'll win next 5+ seasons anyway right? LOL ...

They are using this time to continue to build on next season and improve and finish on a high note for next season.

Why do you think DL loaded his hand as much as possible for the draft and trade season?

Rights to 3 foreign players
Over 8 million in tradable team option contracts
Over 10 additional picks over the next 3 years in addition to the Jazz picks

Since the all-star break the coaches and team have no interest in losing. Watch them play and come back and tell me Snyder, Hayward, Favors, Gobert, Booker... are on board with losing the rest of the season.

 

[The Midnight]

They are using this time to continue to build on next season and improve and finish on a high note for next season.

Why do you think DL loaded his hand as much as possible for the draft and trade season?

Rights to 3 foreign players
Over 8 million in tradable team option contracts
Over 10 additional picks over the next 3 years in addition to the Jazz picks

Since the all-star break the coaches and team have no interest in losing. Watch them play and come back and tell me Snyder, Hayward, Favors, Gobert, Booker... are on board with losing the rest of the season.

I think we've covered this extensively - players and coaches don't tank, but it's the FO that does it by signing crap players or sitting injured players.


Favors was having back issues last night, he even had to wear that thing around his waist when he was on the bench to alleviate the pain. DL could have just had Favors 'rested' last night. I didn't see much reason for playing him.


There is a precedent for this too when GSW tanked just enough to grab Harrison Barnes, they've never looked back since.

 

[Stoked]

I think we've covered this extensively - players and coaches don't tank, but it's the FO that does it by signing crap players or sitting injured players.


Favors was having back issues last night, he even had to wear that thing around his waist when he was on the bench to alleviate the pain. DL could have just had Favors 'rested' last night. I didn't see much reason for playing him.


There is a precedent for this too when GSW tanked just enough to grab Harrison Barnes, they've never looked back since.

And do you think that DL is going to ask Snyder to sit any of those players? Yes or no?

I do not as they continue to play and the Jazz continues to win.

 

[freakazoid]

the #9 guy over the #12 guy really isn't going to mean much in the long run.

Xavier Mchenry vs. Gordon Hayward. Probably made a difference. Anyway, neither one of us knows how much it could mean without a crystal ball, but yeah, sometimes it's a big deal and certainly more impactful than 3 or 4 extra wins. Having said that, if Exum were to kinda figure things out a little down the stretch, I'd be more than happy if we won all the rest of our games, and just crossed our fingers that a good player falls to wherever we draft. Maybe we get the steal of the draft at #12, but making claims about there being little difference between #9 and #12 have been proven very wrong before, and quite frankly, those kind of claims scream agenda.