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“Look, the case has been made. Almost everything in the impeachment hearings this week fleshed out and backed up the charge that President Trump muscled Ukraine for political gain. The pending question is what precisely the House and its Democratic majority will decide to include in the articles of impeachment, what statutes or standards they will assert the president violated.”


Oh, nvm. It’s Peggy Noonan, conservative and highly respected author, Reagan advisor and speechwriter.

how have the never trumpers converted her? She seems so sensible, logical, intelligent and unbiased. It is almost like there is some compelling underlying truth that moves her to this conclusion.
That's why the whole tactic of labeling people as "Never Trumpers" and then discounting what they have to say, is so laughable to me. This may come as a shock to the Trump defenders, but folks, I wasn't born a Never Trumper. I became this way because of specific things that Trump did that I decided have no place in how I want my country to be.
 
That's why the whole tactic of labeling people as "Never Trumpers" and then discounting what they have to say, is so laughable to me. This may come as a shock to the Trump defenders, but folks, I wasn't born a Never Trumper. I became this way because of specific things that Trump did that I decided have no place in how I want my country to be.

Exactly. Although I was pretty much born a Never Trumper. Saw through his ******** in the 80's.
 
That's why the whole tactic of labeling people as "Never Trumpers" and then discounting what they have to say, is so laughable to me. This may come as a shock to the Trump defenders, but folks, I wasn't born a Never Trumper. I became this way because of specific things that Trump did that I decided have no place in how I want my country to be.

Nobody over four can really support the boast of being a dysfuntional delusional fascist who considers Trump the only problem in the country, the thing that went wrong with the grande dream of progress. How you get there from actually being able to clearly believe Hillary lies begins with forgetting everything she has done that's on your list, along with her being an open borders ZPG fascist like George Soros and a number of other multibillionaires. Hillary put up with Bill for the sake of her turn.

You believe stuff printed in a poisoned press, stuff that is lies, exaggeration.... whatever. How many of the big headlines about Trumps misdeeds have been dropped after being debunked and proven wrong.

Putting people on ignore means you don't care what the truth is.
 
Still a victory for the rule of law, though. And I think the Supreme Court can and does fast track things from time to time, so who knows what will happen. Even though it's a 5-4 split right now, I have a hard time believing all of the Republican-appointed justices are happy with what Trump is doing to this country.

I hope you’re right. I’m a little more pessimistic. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the conservative justices that owe their positions on the court to trump, giving back to the anointed one. Especially since many of these Federalist Society fellows run in the same circles as Bill Barr. They may actually support Barr’s bizarre views on an imperial presidency and believe that only by protecting trump will they save the country from godless leftism.
 
Nobody over four can really support the boast of being a dysfuntional delusional fascist who considers Trump the only problem in the country, the thing that went wrong with the grande dream of progress.

Set up your phony straw man and knock him down.
 
You believe stuff printed in a poisoned press, stuff that is lies, exaggeration.... whatever. How many of the big headlines about Trumps misdeeds have been dropped after being debunked and proven wrong.

Putting people on ignore means you don't care what the truth is.

I got to the part about lies and exaggerations and couldn’t stop laughing.

lectures about truth from the trump cult are awesome.

Just remember that trump knows more about war than the generals. This is not a lie or an exaggeration.
 
I was a never trumper after the Central Park five. And after the lying birther movement. Could never vote for a man so clearly racist.

But snake oil is a part of American culture.
 
I watch CNN sometimes, other stuff. I watched Walter Cronkite and others news anchors years ago, and read almost every newspaper or magazine I could. I used to believe most people were trying to do some objective, fact-based reporting. I think that sorta hit the fan with the Goldwater campaign. I mean, I have seen the dingy nuclear fallout crap drifting across the sky overhead. I did the duck and cover drills. But I've seen enough of playground loudmouths who will say anything without doing any critical self-evaluation. And I've seen enough of outfits with causes and agendas, and gone over all kinds of propaganda productions, I know when someone is actually trying to be factual.

I don't see it today in any of the little tweets Colton likes to paste in here, I don't see it in the NY Times today, or on CNN. It's just obvious.

People who don't live where news is going on, who can't see or hear it for themselves, who are not in the halls where it's happening, can still have some basic clues to objectivity. Look for some kind of discussion of pros as well as cons for any reported "fact". See if you're being told "conclusions" more than "reasons". There are actually a lot of clues to objectivity, if it's there. Look at the choice of words when there can be several words used to describe it. Some rhetoric is really just inflammatory, and appeals to emotions rather than to reasons.

A second clue to objectivity or the "reporting" of facts rather than some biased or extremely driving narrative that pushes a conclusion, is whether various people are being given the same kind of treatment even though they are on different sides of an issue.

We don't have much good reporting going on.

Colton, and others here, though they may be perfectly sincere in grabbing every possible claimed offense they think Trump has done..... are somehow just not even seeing other politicians who have done, or doing what Trump is being charged with.

There is no cult Trump following that I have seen. Nobody suspending reason and cheering for Trump. The reasons always there are that he is just not doing the things Obama or Hillary would be doing. There has been a lot of concern about what Obama did, and Hillary, and Bush, and Bill, and DaddyBush across many years. There have been a lot of elections where the voters turned out in greater numbers asking for some changes in what is going on nationally, and time after time they just didn't get people voted in who would really do what they say.

Trump gets points from a lot of people for trying to do what he promised on the stuff they cared about in voting for him. But there are still a lot who are disappointed because he's not getting enough done.

Pretty clear to me that people are turning away from the biased media, and by millions are now tuning in to some of the more conservative services, including me. People are believing the major media less now than ever before.

Pretty clear to me that independents and middle of the road voters are really not buying the case against Trump. Not even the illegal Mexicans, or recent legal immigrants. Pretty impressive swing, actually.... considering the efforts through the public school teachers, the NPR and PBS sorts of outlets, and all the major news efforts.

Just sayin'......

Just because you have a little band of enthusiasts here who cut and paste everything, and cluck about this and hoot about that, and you're pretty much in some sort of Trump Derangement Psychosis, there is still objective truth outside the narrow arguments for every imagined Trump offense. Colton can read and clip all he wants from his little *** of news, but he can't make it true. None of you can.

The truth is that the evidence is largely running against the whole Resistance project. Wheels falling off the wagon. People scared they're gonna be facing charges for the laws they know they broke.

People like that now are getting out in front trying to run the tables and project onto Trump all they've done. I don't think even the major media can carry their water much further.

Mueller is probably faking dementia and trying to get outta the way, but he broke serious laws. There are others. Comey. Brennan. Obama. Hillary. Biden. What concerns me most is that Trump is a softie who would rather try to unite the country even if he has to take all the flack, just trusting that people will not be deceived in large enough numbers. But he does see the need for this sort of campaign as "The Resistance" by Civil Service employees and government agents and SES officials which impede the elected President from effectively managing government to be brought under regulation and law consistent with the Constitution.

I've been more concerned about Barr and even Durham just superficially treating a few extremely sore spots and leaving the system as it was. But I think they are going to approach the problem as the systemic problem it is, so open opposition to election results is curtailed, systemically.

We will need a revised Civil Service Code, a change in the Union rules. We will need to systematically move personnel on out to pasture before they can become within their little bureaucratic dominions a law unto themselves.

I favor term limits on civil service employment, and the abolishment of the SES system in favor of more unbiased recruitment of management personnel who have no vested long-term protection, security, or interests in staying in the system. Lots of opportunities out there in private employment. We do not need an established managerial class who can come to believe they know better than the American voting citizens.
 
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