The Thriller
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Do republicans think this big nightmare ends once they acquit?
I believe that I can understand the thinking of most liberals, I just disagree with it.
This is hysterical. I am really being told that I'm burying my head in the sand by people who suggest that Burisma hired Hunter to add credibility to a struggling brand? Would your opinion change if you discovered that immediately subsequent to Hunter's appointment on the board of Burisma lobbyists and lawmakers associated with Hunter Biden pushed through legislation that resulted in over $50 million American taxpayer dollars going to Ukranian energy assistance which directly benefited Burisma? So far the anti-Trump crowd has shown zero interest in investigating or understanding any of this. Instead they simply tell us that it has been "debunked."There's certainly a middle ground here, which is that they hired him for his name, to add a veneer of credibility to their struggling brand.
Of course that doesn't mean that Joe Biden himself had anything to do with it, and no evidence suggests he did.
That said, I don't think anyone should be trading on the name of their politician parents. It would be really cool if that standard was universal, and the fact that Trump has is own family working in his white house and on his campaign while they do business overseas really blows the whole narrative of Trump being an anti corruption crusader into smithereens.
It’s never going to end... it never does. Trump never stops criming.
The former vice president appears to have been selling influence to a very corrupt company through his son. I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree over how much that matters. I do not think you would find this scenario so incomprehensible if Dick Cheney's son was swapped out with Hunter Biden, and Obama swapped out with Trump. You (or at least many on your side of this argument) would probably be praising Obama for shining a light on corruption.So let's all agree that Hunter Biden was employed by Burisma under that pretense, for the sake of dialog. It seems perfectly plausible, honestly. A lot of us think pro-Trump folks are falling for some twisty words on the part of Trump & Co., though: That he was on some noble quest to bring down corruption by proving Hunter Biden was employed by Burisma for political purposes, and THAT was his primary and only motivation. There is ample evidence, including statements by witnesses, that there was never a sincere attempt to get Ukraine to actually conduct an investigation at all-- Trump just wanted Ukraine to ANNOUNCE an investigation. And if you consider that, and then ask yourself what Trump's motive could have possibly been, you only land in one place: He wanted to damage Biden politically. If you can present a compelling reason why the president of the United States should otherwise personally involve himself in this sort of issue, to the extent he bypassed regular government channels and used his own personal attorney and cronies to clandestinely liaise between himself and the Ukrainian government, please do so. That's the basis of this entire investigation.
This is hysterical. I am really being told that I'm burying my head in the sand by people who suggest that Burisma hired Hunter to add credibility to a struggling brand? Would your opinion change if you discovered that immediately subsequent to Hunter's appointment on the board of Burisma lobbyists and lawmakers associated with Hunter Biden pushed through legislation that resulted in over $50 million American taxpayer dollars going to Ukranian energy assistance which directly benefited Burisma? So far the anti-Trump crowd has shown zero interest in investigating or understanding any of this. Instead they simply tell us that it has been "debunked."
The fact that you believe that article debunks these claims is a large part of the reason we cannot agree on any of this. I do not think that article debunks these claims at all. It does not even come close.
Do republicans think this big nightmare ends once they acquit?
This is hysterical. I am really being told that I'm burying my head in the sand by people who suggest that Burisma hired Hunter to add credibility to a struggling brand? Would your opinion change if you discovered that immediately subsequent to Hunter's appointment on the board of Burisma lobbyists and lawmakers associated with Hunter Biden pushed through legislation that resulted in over $50 million American taxpayer dollars going to Ukranian energy assistance which directly benefited Burisma? So far the anti-Trump crowd has shown zero interest in investigating or understanding any of this. Instead they simply tell us that it has been "debunked."
I realize he's being sarcastic, but Kevin Kruse is actually correct: Nothing that has come out, or will come out for that matter, will cause Trump voters to regret their votes. That ship sailed a loooong time ago.
The former vice president appears to have been selling influence to a very corrupt company through his son. I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree over how much that matters. I do not think you would find this scenario so incomprehensible if Dick Cheney's son was swapped out with Hunter Biden, and Obama swapped out with Trump. You (or at least many on your side of this argument) would probably be praising Obama for shining a light on corruption.
Why send his personal lawyer though rather than going through normal channels to investigate? And why not want an actual investigation but rather simply an announcement of an investigation?The former vice president appears to have been selling influence to a very corrupt company through his son. I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree over how much that matters. I do not think you would find this scenario so incomprehensible if Dick Cheney's son was swapped out with Hunter Biden, and Obama swapped out with Trump. You (or at least many on your side of this argument) would probably be praising Obama for shining a light on corruption.
Sadly I agree with this, I bought into the “drain the swamp” rhetoric and regretted voting for Trump about 2-3 months in. At this point those who still support him will die on that hill.I realize he's being sarcastic, but Kevin Kruse is actually correct: Nothing that has come out, or will come out for that matter, will cause Trump voters to regret their votes. That ship sailed a loooong time ago.
This is hysterical. I am really being told that I'm burying my head in the sand by people who suggest that Burisma hired Hunter to add credibility to a struggling brand? Would your opinion change if you discovered that immediately subsequent to Hunter's appointment on the board of Burisma lobbyists and lawmakers associated with Hunter Biden pushed through legislation that resulted in over $50 million American taxpayer dollars going to Ukranian energy assistance which directly benefited Burisma? So far the anti-Trump crowd has shown zero interest in investigating or understanding any of this. Instead they simply tell us that it has been "debunked."
The former vice president appears to have been selling influence to a very corrupt company through his son.
I do not think you would find this scenario so incomprehensible if Dick Cheney's son was swapped out with Hunter Biden, and Obama swapped out with Trump. You (or at least many on your side of this argument) would probably be praising Obama for shining a light on corruption.