So im not a crazy, paranoid, malignant, right wing arsehole, whose existence is an embarrassment to humanity but im pretty sure those people insist on International Jewry being on that list.
The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread
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So im not a crazy, paranoid, malignant, right wing arsehole, whose existence is an embarrassment to humanity but im pretty sure those people insist on International Jewry being on that list.
MVP
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I am not surprised to see nonsense like this coming from pro Russian, anti NATO posters on Facebook, Twiter etc.. but here? You lost any respect I ever had for you and that was not a lot to start with. Disgusting.
MVP
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I'll give you a chance to admit you did not really mean it and it is an honest mistake. Because if you truly believe that you are lost cause and need some specialists help.
Ukraine suspends 11 political parties with links to Russia
Zelenskiy says parties such as Viktor Medvedchuk’s Opposition Platform for Life are ‘aimed at division or collusion’
www.theguardian.com
Zelensky nationalizes TV news and restricts opposition parties
The latest Speed Read,/speed-reads,,speed-reads, breaking news, comment, reviews and features from the experts at The Week
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Azov Regiment takes centre stage in Ukraine propaganda war
Some call them war heroes, others neo-Nazis: Ukraine's Azov Regiment is at the heart of the propaganda war between Kyiv and Moscow, as Russia claims to seek the "denazification" of Ukraine.
www.france24.com
These are not especially objectionable reports. There are others.
The larger political party suspended hold ten percent of the seats in Ukrainian government. It got more voter support than 10%.
The Map of Political Forces in Today’s Ukraine
The OPEL is the second largest party with about 17% support in the 2019 election, and was the party of former Ukrainian pro-Russian leadership.
In Russia, the major opposition party to Putin is the communist party. No martial law is declared yet that would suspend that party.
The eleven parties suspended by Zelensky add up to more than Zelensky's own 37% in 2019. All that is changed now, and Putin's outrageous invasion has likely reduced Zelensky's opposition to less than 25%. In short, there is really no need for Zelensky to take such an action, and that action will likely reduce his popularity at home. In that case, the US may find itself backing an unpopular dictator who is resorting to more coercive governance than even Putin.
Western concepts of democracy or constitutional government or rule of law are pretty weak in Ukraine. Ukraine has practically no history as a unified country. The Russian Orthodox Chjurch has been more of sustaining force in Ukraine than any home government. Look at those political parties, a parliamentary system with ten parties having more than 5% voter supporrt.
It was a mean and cruel thing for pro-NATO interests to get involved there.
I support more local governance, less central governance. I support good relations based on honoring treaties and respecting others.
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Ukraine suspends 11 political parties with links to Russia
Zelenskiy says parties such as Viktor Medvedchuk’s Opposition Platform for Life are ‘aimed at division or collusion’
Zelensky nationalizes TV news and restricts opposition parties
The latest Speed Read,/speed-reads,,speed-reads, breaking news, comment, reviews and features from the experts at The Week
Ukraine suspends 11 political parties with links to Russia
Zelenskiy says parties such as Viktor Medvedchuk’s Opposition Platform for Life are ‘aimed at division or collusion’
Zelensky nationalizes TV news and restricts opposition parties
The latest Speed Read,/speed-reads,,speed-reads, breaking news, comment, reviews and features from the experts at The Week
I've listened to this guy before.
I'm not one who believes our own government is a good example of anything, or that we are not involved in fascist movements or that we do not make friends with demagogues or dictators when someone influential pushes us that way.
I am saying that Zelensky is not going to be setting up elections any time soon, and that if he does they will be like many Russian elections have been. Ukraine is a corrupt country with unbelievable levels of influence peddling, and we have gotten into that henhouse big time.
People there will learn to hate us as much as some there hate the Russians, But ethnic Americans are not 20% of Ukraine's population, so they will all just hate us for whatever we do. And there is no way this is going to become a free country with human liberty.
Whoever "wins".
At a higher level of analysis, why are we letting Putin's ministers negotiate the Iran deal for us. Iran will sell Putin nuke grade Uranium? Russia will use it to build nuclear power plants in Egypt? Biden practically invited Putin to do this gig. Maybe it was because we knew more about Russian military preparedness than Putin did. Maybe someone wanted to raise oil jprices and create negative circumstances for Americans. It smacks as a classic "Bowery War" where world leaders run a little war to practice their troops, see how maneuvers work, creae business for arms makers and dealers, and test weapons. I don't know, any more than I know the thoughts of the Devil himself.
Maybe if Zelensky had negotiated as promised in the Minsk accord or if the agreements of 1991-94 had been kept, Putin would not have done this. Maybe, maybe not.
But this has done us no good. And nothing we can do will turn out good, either.
and, oh...... wait...... did I ever mention that I think we have a whole lot of crazy megalomaniacal honchos who seem so damn self-assured they can run the world we should all say Hell No.
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If Ukraine had acted rationally and ethically then Putin wouldn't be the corrupt murdering war criminal liar that he is and always has been? Not buying that for a second.
Putin said it all in his own words. He considers Ukraine not just part of the old Soviet Union, he considers Ukraine inextricably part of Russia. He's getting on in years and there are some reports that he's been seeing cancer doctors. He wants Ukraine "rejoining" Russia to be his legacy. There's no treaty agreement or NATO encroachment to blame for his actions. He will manufacture rationalizations, sure, but he doesn't care about any of that. He's looking for excuses to do the thing he's always wanted to do, which is to bring Ukraine back into Russia.
The things you've pointed to that Zelenskyy has done are irrelevant to the fact that Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor in a war of choice and a war of conquest and a war littered with unnecessary civilian deaths that absolutely constitute war crimes. Why you want to deflect blame from Russia is straight up bizarre. What you're doing is like when someone rapes and kills a young woman and some dude wants to say, "Yeah but did you see the kind of clothes she wore and did you know she had sex with more than one person in the last year? Clearly the raping murderer wouldn't have done it otherwise. I don't think he's such a bad guy really, all things considered."
It's ****ing gross, babe.
You're pretty hopeless, actually. There are books about the documented agreements and the things we've done that broke those agreements. Sure, we deny that we have done any wrong. I think I can safely assert that anything published by Yale Press or on the CFR reading list is not Russian propaganda. Many of the facts are here, essentially by our own admission:
Book Details - Yale University Press
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Yeah, gives Putin and his agents, like you apparently, justification for this.You're pretty hopeless, actually. There are books about the documented agreements and the things we've done that broke those agreements. Sure, we deny that we have done any wrong. I think I can safely assert that anything published by Yale Press or on the CFR reading list is not Russian propaganda. Many of the facts are here, essentially by our own admission:
Book Details - Yale University Press
How's it feel being a useful idiot?
According to informed sources more sympathetic to me, the Brookings Institution and some other honcho gristmills have been pushing our policy to expand NATO for over a decade. Our CIA, people like former ambassador John Brennan are active in this enterprise. People like Utah's Jon Huntsman Jr and Liz Cheney, and the Bush dynasty. But without a doubt George Soros and the Kock Bros even.
How America’s NATO expansion obsession plays into the Ukraine crisis
The post-Cold War debates shaping the current standoff with Russia.
www.vox.com
I haven't made a definite conclusion about "why", but control over oil resources is one highly likely consideration. I can't explain why Biden gave up the huvge airbase in Afghanistan. Trump would have held it and made it something like Guantanmo in Cuba, but it is a strategic loss without parallel. Now Putin is cutting deals with India for oil. He has fixed the ruble to gold, making it a "gold standard" currency. He has little debt, comparatively speaking. Building pipelines to China.
Ukranian forces include and in fact are run by ideological NAZI people who believe Hitler should have won WWII. Racists, and all that. They have been tough fighters in the donbas, and have done 3everything we accuse Putin of doing. Again, I don't know so much except what I can read and evaluate from available sources, but it has been going on since the overthrow of the elecdted, pro-Russian Ukranian president in the 2014 coup.
Putin does not run as a "communist" though undoubtedly he is influenced by that political schema. He is more of a Russian nationalist, and I believe he is no patsy, and capabl3e of ruthless suppression of opponents. His is not really so different from other dictators or nominal strongman governance all over the world, which we give foreign aid to. Xi is an overt Han racist who violates human rights and even runs labor camps. Some say he up his opponents and sells body parts for transplant.
You get off balance with your comments quite often, and I believe it comes from idiological or idealist beliefs which are useful in the political games. I try to set myself apart from unthinking advocacy in politics. My basic focus is human rights and reducing our unnecessary wars. I favor competition over cartel or industrial giants exercising monopolistic control of commerce in any respect. Putin has excluded many western business interests because he is trying to maintain his own control of Russian economics. He has become somewhat anti-globalist or anti-Western financial and industrial "globalist" at least.
There's a lot more to all this, I won't bother to go on just now.
But why not stop and think about it some instead of being your usual sort of useful idiot for political causes you support.
Red
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The White House is freaked out that Putin's next big win could be in Paris
If Russia apologist Marine LePen wins the French elections, Washington fears she could unravel the Western NATO alliance.
www.politico.com
“A Le Pen victory, once unthinkable, would present the European Union with its biggest crisis since Brexit, potentially triggering a slow death rattle for the constellation of countries and completely upending a continent. And in the short term, it would deeply shake the pro-Ukraine coalition that extends from Warsaw to Washington.”