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infection said:
Honestly, who? Who here has condemned protestors or conflated protesting with being any of those things?
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several posters in just the last few pages have ridiculed other posters and have defended the police. Hell, they’ve been shielded by our culture and their associations for far too long. Their profession is long overdue for scrutiny. The police deserve zero defending. At this point, defending the police is for maintaining the status quo which is creating the inequities that we currently see. My post was tongue and cheek but it’s not hard to recognize that bringing up the few cases of looting while a worldwide protest is occurring nearly daily, is merely An attempt to distract from actually resolving racial inequity and police brutality.
 
Avery said:
I’m not sure how defunding will really work. I mean, we have to have some law enforcement for certain situations.

I would agree that not all situations need an officer, but if somebody is robbing a bank, we need people to protect life and risk.
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There are lots of levels of de-funding. Many talks are about greatly reducing police funding but not disbanding. Money will be spent on other services that benefit the community. Social workers will respond to mental health instead of police for example.

I think specialization of tasks makes more sense. We would still have investigators and other people to do specific tasks but more appropriate training and oversight. Plus a lot more transparency. We would have traffic people but that's all they do. If there is something else they see they can call in someone more trained to deal with it.
 
I think police and prisons need a huge reduction regardless. That money could be spent in far better and more effective ways. Non violent offenders shouldn't be sent to prison. Police shouldn't have military weapons and gear. There should be far more good quality well paid social workers then police. Mental health care should be increased.

I would like to think we can fix the problems with police in general and our entire criminal justice system. But I also can see the argument for starting over with it.
 
The Thriller said:
several posters in just the last few pages have ridiculed other posters and have defended the police. Hell, they’ve been shielded by our culture and their associations for far too long. Their profession is long overdue for scrutiny. The police deserve zero defending. At this point, defending the police is for maintaining the status quo which is creating the inequities that we currently see. My post was tongue and cheek but it’s not hard to recognize that bringing up the few cases of looting while a worldwide protest is occurring nearly daily, is merely An attempt to distract from actually resolving racial inequity and police brutality.
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So, being the moron that you are, you can't name one poster who set any of the standards you spoke of? Idiot.

A few cases of looting? There have been literally thousands of cases of looting and businesses destroyed. That's injustice, just like Floyd being murdered is injustice.

You spew so much blinded **** that you literally make things up. You've made up at least 3 things on this page alone that are completely wrong.

Look, dude. I've seen pretty much every poster in this thread call for the accountability of police and have supported the protesters. The only thing the police have been defended for in this thread people doing things wrong against them like murder them, incite violence against them, etc.

Some people are against all injustices and not skewed by an political ideology and bias.

"Standards" though.
 
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Gameface said:
In human society we have a social contract. We all agree to behave according to a certain standard in order that we can all live together peacefully. When the police murder civilians and the repercussions never come then that social contract has been violated. If there is no social contract then there are no rules that say "looting is bad." When a community has had that contract repeatedly violated against them it is reasonable to expect that they will stop honoring their side of the contract as well. This concept has been expressed very well with the slogan "no justice, no peace."
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Are you going to give Trevor Noah credit here? Lol

I'm not even going to respond to the rest of that garbage post.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I think specialization of tasks makes more sense. We would still have investigators and other people to do specific tasks but more appropriate training and oversight.
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Exactly. Trump and his sock puppets are naturally shouting that evil Democrats want to have no law enforcement of any kind, but that's a huge red herring. The point of defunding and disbanding is to create something new that accomplishes what the current system has failed to do. I don't think anyone can possibly argue that the current policing system has been successful.

There is no need to have all police officers carry guns and especially no need to have armed officers respond to every call. How ridiculous is it that school resource officers carry guns and bulletproof vests? And before anyone brings up school shootings, I'd like to point out how exceedingly rare they are but also what happened last time we had a major school shooting in Florida.

For entirely too long, policing has looked like pacification. Police officers have looked and behaved like an occupying army. Especially in minority areas and neighbourhoods. Probably the most infuriating way in which this manifests itself is the demand for absolute compliance and the lengths the police will go to get it. How often do you have ridiculous chases and police officers discharging weapons because a suspect was "going to get away?" In situations where said suspect might have been unarmed, was not posing an immediate danger to the public, or was not even the person they were looking for? That's okay. If they run, you can shoot. If they try to pass what might have been a fake 20, you can kneel on their neck until they die.

I don't know if these attitudes can be fixed with more training and oversight. I think it needs to be blown up and replaced by something new.
 
JimLes said:
For entirely too long, policing has looked like pacification. Police officers have looked and behaved like an occupying army. Especially in minority areas and neighbourhoods. Probably the most infuriating way in which this manifests itself is the demand for absolute compliance and the lengths the police will go to get it. How often do you have ridiculous chases and police officers discharging weapons because a suspect was "going to get away?" In situations where said suspect might have been unarmed, was not posing an immediate danger to the public, or was not even the person they were looking for? That's okay. If they run, you can shoot. If they try to pass what might have been a fake 20, you can kneel on their neck until they die.
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Step 1 is de-militarization. We had this huge military build-up in our police departments courtesy of the Patriot Act in 2002 for fear of an outbreak of domestic terrorism that never really materialized. It's time to admit that was a deeply flawed, knee jerk piece of legislation that has actually made us less free. I'd also argue it attracted the wrong type of people to become cops. Take that money and put it towards vigorous psych evals for incoming candidates.

Step 2 is getting cops out of their patrol cars and into the streets. Seven years ago the police department in Camden, NJ was disbanded (some people are now saying it was defunded which is not really the truth). The new heads of the police department focused on community relations instead of law enforcement and crime went down 32%. I still wouldn't go there at night, lol....but it had the reputation for the most crime riddled city in America not that long ago and that's not nearly the case anymore.
 
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