Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

[Handlogten's Heros]

So, you managed to defuse the situation without pulling a gun?

Technically I have two big ones attached to my shoulders at all times... #dadjokes

 

[babe]

I know a lot of folks in here sorta buy the Cloward-Piven Strategy as it relates directly to using the problem of poverty, and welfare in a manner that just leads to overwhelming or catastrophic demands on the system so that it fails, and leads to a replacement program, guaranteed annual income, complete redistribution of income, and such. The strategy comes from early Marxist thinking of how to do a revolution, of how the old has to be destroyed to make way for the new.

What we see in the Democratic Party today, and in the mainstream Media, a very strong swing into Marxist principles. Now is the hour to strike, some think, for the Revolution. Little care about the stresses to be applied to achieve the collapse of the old way. That's what Open Borders is all about, what almost every excess of governance is all about. Gotta break it to make it.

I have said this before, but the little foot-soldiers of the Revolution who have brought about such change, are the first to the hoosgaw, the first to the prisons, under the new..... Fascist.... powers that be, who have lied to you and won your idealistic support just long enough.

The objective is not to build a better world, just to make what's left of this world..... theirs.

The New Order is not designed to permit continued human rights, continued citizen modes of inputs. It's actually all top-down, with no counterweight permitted. Look at the documents that underpin communist governments, or socialist governments. They are models of efficiency..... for management, with no real design to transfer power peacefully or under any constitutional process.

When the big money is deployed, it's expected to return a big profit.... to the top, not to you.

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

I don't think 'defunding the police' is the right move and I don't like the terminology either - it just leads to people saying lawlessness like Tucker Carlson which isn't an option. We're not going full The Purge here.

Instead, police should respond to things that need their assistance. We ask our officers to wear too many hats - trying to put together witness reports for a mild car accident, going to a school to talk about DARE, responding to a dispute when a guy locks his girlfriend outside of the house, etc. It's simply a drain on resources and officers.

Instead, send the right person to the job. Police should involve themselves when the risk of escalation is high. Let others handle fender benders and help a motorist unlock their car. Give officers primary, secondary and tertiary skills when there's an overflow of assistance needed. Give consistent counseling, psychological profiles, etc. This isn't unreasonable.

Good thoughts here. Police wear far too many hats. When I lived in Alaska, I would regularly see police officers overseeing the removal of large animal carcasses from the road. They would also respond every single time a poor driver slid off the road and into the ditch.

 

[babe]

We do have an cartel prison system, where private ownership of prisons and lush paybacks to politicians are a scandal. None less than Hillary, and Biden, worked so hard to establish our Prison Planet system, and profited from it. It does systematically suck in a disproportionate number of blacks and minorities. We have politicians who have bragged about "Stop and Frisk" policies used mainly against minorities "in the hood". What it amounts to is the same politicians who support the cartel prison planet system are the first to incite riot or stand down enforcement as a tactic for destroying what system we had, and it's a cinch the "new" program they bring in will allow even more corruption, and even more exploitation of the poor of every color.

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

Some interesting data points from the following study (2016):

https://www.cato.org/survey-reports/policing-america

Police Tactics: African Americans (73%) are far more likely than whites (35%) and Hispanics (54%) to say that police are too quick to use lethal force.

Courteousness: White Americans (62%) are 19 points more likely than African Americans (43%) and 13 points more likely than Hispanics (49%) to rate their local police departments highly for being courteous.

Competency: Four in 10 African Americans and 5 in 10 Hispanics give their local police high ratings for enforcing the law, protecting them from crime, and responding quickly to a call for help, compared to 6 in 10 white Americans.

African Americans are about twice as likely as white Americans to know someone physically abused by police. 39% of African Americans know someone who has been physically mistreated by the police, as do 18% of whites and 27% of Hispanics.

Higher‐income African Americans report being stopped at about 1.5 times the rate of higher‐income white Americans. In contrast, lower income African Americans report being stopped only slightly more frequently than lower income white Americans.

65% think police officers regularly racially profile Americans and 63% oppose the practice.

58% say the US justice system fails to treat everyone equally before the law.

Nearly half (49%) of Americans say “most” police officers think they are “above the law.”

Nearly half (49%) of Americans say “most” police officers think they are “above the law.”

Although Americans have different perceptions about how the police actually do their jobs, majorities of black, white, and Hispanic Americans agree on what the top three priorities for the police should be: investigating violent crime (78%), protecting citizens from crime (64%), and investigating property crime (58%).

89% of Americans support police body cameras and slim majorities are willing to raise taxes pay for them (51%) and let police look at the footage before making official statements (52%). Three‐fourths also think body cameras protect both officers and citizens equally.

 

[Avery]

Good thoughts here. Police wear far too many hats. When I lived in Alaska, I would regularly see police officers overseeing the removal of large animal carcasses from the road. They would also respond every single time a poor driver slid off the road and into the ditch.

And it's not a one-size-fits-all-solution. A town of 1,000 people isn't going to have the luxury of a number of different positions when you often only have one officer on shift at a time. That same individual cleaning carcasses might be the only one who can respond to a guy holding up the one cafe in town or helping Old Man Jenkins with his dementia and locking his damn keys in his car.

Imagine if you were working at Chase Bank and had to know and answer every type of question that could come up about banking, credit cards, loans, etc. It's not possible. However, we can create positional flexibility which would everyone would benefit from.

 

[babe]

And tax it. You want MJ, fine, you pay a tax like anything else.

I don’t want a junkie peddling speed outside of an elementary, but stop filling up the justice system with non-violent offenders.

The tax is a bad idea. None of the gov's business here.

All the tax and regulate ideas are bad.

Make a law that cuts to the chase directly. You sell stuff to minors that is harmful, you pay. You sell stuff to adults that is crap, see you in Court. Civil courts for damages you do. Criminal court if you get people harmed beyond what you can pay for. Addictions count as harm. Even booze. Even gambling.

For Gawd's sake, why can't people find worthwhile stuff to do. It's like we're all politicians at heart, wanting to do evil crap and sell evil stuff.

 

[babe]

I get tired of stats pretty quick. I don't assume polls are very good, or that people are very good. Or that people or government will really find a better way. Most of the people using arguments about what is good, or popular, are being plain stupid, or pushing for something even dumber .... something they might imagine is going to be better. Easy to think something could be better especially the less you know about it.

Just look at what is, objectively. Adapt to it the best you can, practically.

We don't really want a society where majority rules, or where government does anything. We want to make all that unnecessary. respect for people's rights is a better way than any majority rule. Let people alone is better than any government project.

Power.... political power, is pandemic, not a solution.

 

[JimLes]

Wait, is this real life? You can't be serious.

There are many, many jurisdictions in the world where only a minority of officers carry guns.

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

There are many, many jurisdictions in the world where only a minority of officers carry guns.

Those officers are working in jurisdictions where citizens are much less likely to be armed. There are more guns than people here. Completely different than virtually anywhere in the world.

 

[JimLes]

Those officers are working in jurisdictions where citizens are much less likely to be armed. There are more guns than people here. Completely different than virtually anywhere in the world.

Then get the guns out of the hands of the people. Or if it can't be done overnight, start now so it happens 30 years from now.

 

[Archie Moses]

There are many, many jurisdictions in the world where only a minority of officers carry guns.

In those places does the public own guns like Americans?