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If Harris had won and done this then maga, trump, and Fox news would be calling for her execution.

If Biden/Obama cured cancer then maga, trump, Fox News would be talking about how curing cancer is a horrible thing.

It goes both ways.

This is where we are a country. More divided than ever before, thanks in large part to trump.
Bull crap. The right can actually see good policies when they happen. We had no Kamala derangement syndrome, she was too stupid to hate. TDS however is a very real thing. Psychiatrists are now helping people diagnosed with it. Even when Trump does something spectacular for the country, lefties cannot see it as good.
 
I don't disagree with you on the first part. It's a tall task to get a lot of people to see even that part

But Trump is a reaction to Obama's second term. And Trump #2 is in part a reaction to wokeness. The left first started pulling the goal posts to the fringes. Most liberals can't even identify what the difference between neoliberalism and classical liberalism is ( chasm there) And way too people can even identify what i mean by that but it's not suprising. The left controls practically all the organs in society
To add to this.........

Saying trump is a reaction to obama and wokeness is like saying me shooting you dead is a reaction to you flipping me off.

There are plenty of old, male, white, republican politicians who hate wokeness and obama and POC and LGBTQ etc who didn't also have a fraudulent university, steal money from a charity to pay a state attorney general to drop the investigation into trump university, have a fraudulent business, cheat on all their wives including one with a pornstar that he then paid to keep quiet about it, brag about committing sexual assault, call opponents wives fat, blackmail foreign leaders into investigating his political opponents, send a mob to the whitehouse to stop a vote count and kill the VP, walk in on girls while they were changing their clothes and brag about doing so, be a russian asset, be best friends with epstein, bankrupt a bunch of casinos, steal classified documents and not return them when requested to, say they know more about everything than anyone, etc etc etc.

This whole "you made us elect trump with your obama win and your wokeness" is total BS. Plenty of less corrupt, less immoral, less douchy, less narcissistic, less scandalous candidates out there that share the same hate for everything woke and democratic and "left" that trump does.
 
This is interesting

Russia signaled that it was willing to allow the United States to act as it pleased in Venezuela, in exchange for Washington giving the Kremlin a free hand in Ukraine, according to Congressional testimony from Fiona Hill, who ran Russian and European affairs on the National Security Council during the first Trump administration.

The Russians “were signaling very strongly that they wanted to somehow make some very strange swap arrangement between Venezuela and Ukraine,” Ms. Hill told a Congressional hearing in October 2019, more than two years before Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
 
As bad as Sadam? Does it justify an attack on their home soil? I'm asking legitimately. I'm not well-versed in everything going on in Venezuela.
He's horrible because he ran Venezuela into the ground despite them having tons of natural resources, then lost an election by a landslide but claimed victory anyway.

I think there may have been a way to do essentially what happened in a legitimate way. It starts by talking to Congress and the Senate, our allies and then making a case at the UN.

Just abducting a foreign leader because we want to control their oil instead of China is not the way the United States is supposed to act. We've made the world a significantly less safe place. The lessons we finally learned after WWII have been thrown out the window and we're back to "might makes right" and the law of the jungle, which alpha bros love because the U.S. has the worlds most powerful military...for now.
 
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This is interesting

Russia signaled that it was willing to allow the United States to act as it pleased in Venezuela, in exchange for Washington giving the Kremlin a free hand in Ukraine, according to Congressional testimony from Fiona Hill, who ran Russian and European affairs on the National Security Council during the first Trump administration.

The Russians “were signaling very strongly that they wanted to somehow make some very strange swap arrangement between Venezuela and Ukraine,” Ms. Hill told a Congressional hearing in October 2019, more than two years before Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Some sort of shifty back room deal to **** an ally over in support of a dictator? Doesn't sound like Trump.

Before you know it, Greenland will be a massive source of cocaine and fentanyl entering the US
 
Well looks like huge protests have broken out. Not everyone is cheering like the right wing media is claiming.

Also funny that all the right wing news claims this is about stopping a dictator, safety for USA, or drugs. Trump is stating clear as day this was to steal their oil and other resources. All the corporations that control Trump are very happy. He even said he consulted the oil companies before and after.

All our anti war posters on here and else where are suddenly cheering for pillaging another country and pretending you care about Venezuelans.

Can't wait for us to "free Greenland" from their oppressive dictator...

USA is ****ed and this is just the beginning.
 

The 2003 invasion of Iraq, with its brazen indifference to international law, weakened faith in the US-led order. Trump’s first term hollowed it out. And now, the naked imperial violence of his second might have well and truly shattered it. Trump is making a series of wild threats and territorial claims, forcing Mexico to prepare for a potentially imminent US invasionand Denmark to take recent US threats to seize Greenland seriously.

What this new world disorder looks like is hard to say. Seva Gunitsky, a political scientist at the University of Toronto, suggested one model after the Maduro operation — a kind of regional “carve-up” in which the US, Russia, and China each get to do what they want in their respective spheres of influence.

“What just happened is entirely consistent with the spheres-of-influence approach that Putin has long advocated, and that Trump embraced in the latest National Security Strategy. The emerging order is one in which Putin, Xi, and Trump each get to do whatever they want in their respective zones: a grand bargain among the powerful at the expense of everyone else,” he wrote. “For ‘smaller’ places caught in the gray zones, like Ukraine, Taiwan, the Baltics, even Greenland, this is not an abstract theoretical debate but a question of survival.”

But this is just one possibility. The truth is that an unconstrained Trump, acting on his longstanding hawkish impulses, could cause all sorts of chaos in his remaining three years. While US military interventionism is very precedented, Trump’s particular brand of it — naked pre-modern imperialism backed by a modern globe-spanning military — is not.

Americans should be prepared for things to go very, very wrong.
 
As we know, millions of Venezuelans, around the world, the Venezuelan diaspora, are celebrating the removal of Maduro. It’s a victory for democracy, right? Even though not once did Trump mention democracy when talking about the raid and its meaning. Trump supporters are pointing to the joy and celebrations of Venezuelans. But Trump isn’t celebrating for democracy at all. He’s yet to even mention it. He does not care.


But only a resuscitation of 19th-century imperial greed—evoking the worst caricatures of “Yanqui imperialism”—can explain why President Donald Trump would justify his lightning military strike to capture and remove Venezuela’s plunderer-in-chief with a single motive: oil. Unless Trump can be prevailed on to change the calamitous course he has announced, Venezuela’s tragedy will only compound.

To understand the depth of Donald Trump’s betrayal of the democratic movement in Venezuela, it is necessary to appreciate the consummate courage, planning, and organization behind the opposition victory on July 28, 2024. For her valiant efforts to organize and lead the campaign for democracy, María Corina Machado was awarded the 2025 Nobel Peace Prize. In her moving acceptance speech on Dec. 10, read by her daughter (due to her late arrival in Oslo from a perilous escape from Venezuela), Machado described their year of preparation to defend the victory they were confident would come:

600,000 volunteers across 30,000 polling stations; apps to scan QR codes, digital platforms, diaspora call centers. We deployed scanners, Starlink antennas, and laptops hidden inside fruit trucks to the furthest corners of Venezuela. Technology became a tool for freedom.

Secret training sessions were held at dawn in church backrooms, kitchens, and basements, using printed materials moved across Venezuela like contraband….

And then the electoral tally sheets— the famous actas, the sacred proof of the people’s will—began to appear: first by phone, then WhatsApp, then photographed, then scanned, and finally carried by hand, by mule, even by canoe.

They arrived from everywhere, an eruption of truth, because thousands of citizens risked their freedom to protect them.

What does Donald Trump know of respect within Venezuela? What does he know of Machado’s skill in unifying a divided opposition, her tenacity in winning an impossible election, and her courage in defying and then daringly escaping a cruel dictatorship? Such facile ignorance could only flow from a narcissism consumed with resentment that it was Machado and not Trump who the Norwegian Nobel Committee rightly recognized for the Peace Prize, and an insatiable greed that cannot comprehend, much less value, something more precious than a windfall of new riches.

Now, in the wake of Trump’s lightning military strike on Saturday to capture Maduro and his wife, we are left with the worst of all possible worlds. Maduro is gone but his predatory dictatorship lives on, defiant. There is no sign of a plan or strategy to induce this awful regime to negotiate a transfer of power to González and the democratic coalition of which Machado is the political and moral leader. There are only the glib vows that the United States will “run” the country of Venezuela. Given that there are no American boots on the ground, that there is no prospect of the 100,000 or more U.S. soldiers it would take to “run” the country, and that the sinews of Venezuelan state security are well armed and deeply entrenched, the proposition is absurd.

Is there way out of this mess?

Perhaps Republicans in Congress can convince the president that, setting aside all moral concerns, the only way to achieve his administration’s stated goals in Venezuela—an end to drug trafficking, a halt in illegal immigration to the U.S., and a vigorous restoration of oil production—is by restoring a competent, pro-American, rule-of-law state in Venezuela. That can only come through a transition to the government elected in 2024, and there has never been a more propitious moment to achieve that transition than right now.

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Trump cares about oil, not democracy.


 
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Really could not be a clearer statement, by Stephen Miller, that might rules the world.


Stephen Miller, a top aide to President Trump, asserted on Monday that Greenland rightfully belonged to the United States and that the Trump administration could seize the semiautonomous Danish territory if it wanted.

“Nobody’s going to fight the United States militarily over the future of Greenland,” Mr. Miller told Jake Tapper, the CNN host, after being asked repeatedly whether he would rule out using military force.

The remarks were part of a vocal push by Mr. Miller, long a powerful behind-the-scenes player in Trump administration policy, to justify American imperialism and a vision for a new world order in which the United States could freely overthrow national governments and take foreign territory and resources so long as it was in the national interest.

“We live in a world, in the real world, Jake, that is governed by strength, that is governed by force, that is governed by power,” he said. “These are the iron laws of the world since the beginning of time.”

THIS: A jawdropping rejection of a rules based international order. The right of other nations to enjoy their independence is just an “international niceties”, the United States can seize any territory in its national interest: “The United States of America is running Venezuela,” Mr. Miller said, dismissing international treaties enshrining a nation’s right to independence and sovereignty as “international niceties.”
 
Well looks like huge protests have broken out. Not everyone is cheering like the right wing media is claiming.

Also funny that all the right wing news claims this is about stopping a dictator, safety for USA, or drugs. Trump is stating clear as day this was to steal their oil and other resources. All the corporations that control Trump are very happy. He even said he consulted the oil companies before and after.

All our anti war posters on here and else where are suddenly cheering for pillaging another country and pretending you care about Venezuelans.

Can't wait for us to "free Greenland" from their oppressive dictator...

USA is ****ed and this is just the beginning.

Greenland? hot bed of drug dealing and anti US behaviour...
 
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