Yesterday - Bundy Ranch
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Or I'm looking at it with fresh eyes instead of having spent time with some guys and decided I liked them so I must support their legal position.
So right off the bat this appears to be incorrect.
It appears that the Bundy family or their forebears first settled the land either in 1877(per the Washington post) or the early 1880s (this is what was reported by the Atlantic and a host of other news outlets).
Nevada became a state in 1864. Furthermore, it appears the Nevada State Constitution, written as it was during the US Civil War, very explicitly grants that paramount allegiance is owed to the USFG rather than to the state and further explicitly states that the USFG can use armed force within Nevada to enforce its laws.
As a result of the laws of time and space, it appears impossible that Bundy's forebears have a claim on the land prior to the state being granted statehood. Additionally, it appears that the Nevada state government, which Bundy swears allegiance to, explicitly endorses the fed's actions. Furthermore, while the Bundy's have claimed Homestead rights, I can't find any applicable homestead act applicable to Nevada in U.S. history.
Here is the assumption you're making: that the Bundy's had rights to the land in the first place. In looking through the court documents, it appears that the US Government held title to the land as public lands as far back as 1848.
Although I'm sympathetic to rules regarding adverse possession, that's an argument the government is immune to and has been for decades and decades.
Luckily there are federal judges who have that job.
They gave him 20 years to clear off the land. How much more lenient with the guy do you expect them to be?
And again, they obviously didn't bring force sufficient to do the job. How is that a gross over-display of power if you came underarmed and couldn't complete the task?
I thought it was kind of easy actually.
Well let's be clear here, it's to seize the property of a guy that owes the taxpayers in excess of $1 million. Additionally, the BLM intended to assess to Bundy the cost of rounding up his cattle after two decades of non-compliance (probably by selling his cattle). This was going to be a civil asset forfeiture situation, not a general fund situation.
I know of a lot of worthless "judgments" passed out by courts against defendants who lost the case legally, maybe morally, but were just weasly enough to know how to have no assets worth seizing.
The Bundy's didn't resort to any of the tactics often used by people/companies/defendants, as far as I can tell. If, for example, using the advance notice of the fed roundup, they had driven out the day before and gotten the cows and trucked them to some buyer, who say bought them for cold hard silver coin. . . . which was never going to see the light of day in Bundy's lifetime. . . . well, the feds would have, perhaps, executed a lien on his home and private land. . . something they will likely do, eventually anyway. . .
The Bundys stand in this case is for a vision of freedom, liberty, and our country where people actually have rights, and are not treated by the gov as if they were cattle.
Liberals don't get it, because they are, at an intellectual level, willing to be cattle.
Look, when you're trying to rouse your kids in the morning, the day you want to go fishing, I bet you yell a little, and maybe use a few four letter words yourself.
I've done my time watching Sesame Street. Yah, it is soft socialism almost like an LDS sunday school. It dials the human brain to "off" and parents let their kids sit in the dark, mesmerized, while the sun is shining outside and birds are chirping, and the fish are biting.
uhhhhhmmmm........ never mind. . . . I see your point.
Let the kids sit in the dark and go drown your worms.
I will address this when time permits, but I will say, for now, that I have some timeline issues... but much more importantly you, like many others are grossly missing the point due, mostly, to taking at face value what the media is feeding.
I know how to round up cattle without even using a horse.
First of all, I put the water trough in a corral, and then I put all the hay there, too.
The cows all feel very secure, as secure as ever, when they go in there to laze about in the sunshine.
The real way to judge how free you are is by knowing whether you're in charge of the operation, or somebody else is. American voters??? Do you really think the voting public runs this country??
well, so far as I'm concerned, it's time for us to just start doing that again. First of all we have to fire the Spanish corporation that is counting our votes. . . . Let me know how that goes, Frank.
Thanks for your input, Thriller. The Bundy's aren't Ghandi. They aren't Nelson Mandela. They aren't Joseph Smith. Stop trying to use them as a platform for your crazy ideals. Even their most ardent supporter willfully admits that the Bundy's are in the wrong. I am all for standing up for your beliefs, but holy ****, at least do it when you have a leg to stand on.
Wow. I fish because I enjoy it. I watch certain tv shows because I enjoy them. My kids do certain things and watch certain shows because they enjoy them. Every Sunday, Sloan and I watch The Joy of Painting and it is amazing how much my six year old has learned. Not to mention the quality time we spend watching, discussing, and joking about his hair. I guess I should somehow feel bad that my kids watch tv? Well, Cap'n Ludite, I'd wager that you spend more time online watching conspiracy videos, rubbing one out to Alex Jones' Info Wars, and posting your insane rants on JazzFanz than my kids and I spend in front of a tv, combined. But, sure. We're sheep; lost in the dark of modern technology that is shrouded in socialism and inside jobs.
The Sheriff in my neck of the desert would still do this.
About twenty years ago, he had to evict some non-taxpaying landholders from an extremely isolated private spot in the desert. . . . he went in single-handed. The yayhoo-ers warned him off, shot at him even. He went in and handcuffed them, and put them in his Sheriff's van, and drove them off to jail.
I told him once how someone threatened me with a rifle, and he was about ready to go arrest him for assault. I said "Nah, don't do that. No need. He learned his lesson."
The Bundys in this case are fighting for their principles with words. They are far from the kind of people who would need to be handcuffed if a Sheriff came to take them in.
