Your bold prediction for the season (2016-2017)

[fgcamel]

The idea that we brought these guys in to take away shots from Hayward is absurd.

They will not affect his usage. The added depth may decrease his minutes, but that's it.

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We won't have the slowest pace.

I think these points should be linked

 

[FalseFlagg K]

and this will equal WINS

pace doesn't necessarily indicate being a winning team. We'll sure be a whole lot more entertaining this year tho. The great thing i think is we could now play slow, fast, big, small whatever

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You are assuming that Hill next to Monta Ellis and Paul George will have the same usage as with his Jazz cohorts.

You also did not mention the low usage players from the comparison and cherry picked Mack.

Jazz coaches and management have spoken about relieving offensive burden from Hayward and hinted that he was worn out by year end.

Why do you think it is absurd that his usage will go down when he has better tools around him? Seems pretty common sense. Jordan's usage dropped from 39% to 35% when they added Pippen.

Mack was the starting PG who played with the Utah Jazz.

George Hill will be the new starting PG.

The most shots George Hill has ever shot per game is 12.4, and that was the year Paul George was injured.

Shelvin Mack shots 11 shots per game while starting for the Jazz.

I do not think the addition of George Hill will take away any shots from Hayward, or at least not anymore than Mack did. If anything I think it will create more shots for Hayward.

I'm not talking about usage, I'm talking about shots taken per game.

 

[tleikheen]

pace doesn't necessarily indicate being a winning team.

Unless your on another continent ...it does

Now Jazz are practicing with a 14 second clock and trying to run PNR's earlier in the clock.Kinda the direction the good teams are running to WIN.

This isn't bad for Favors or Gobert either as they are young and can run.I suspect minutes will be kept down to keep ALL fresh with such a deep team

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Hayward took practically the same shots per game pre All-Star Break (Neto starting) and post All-Star break (Mack starting) despite Mack being a higher usage PG.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You are assuming that Hill next to Monta Ellis and Paul George will have the same usage as with his Jazz cohorts.

You also did not mention the low usage players from the comparison and cherry picked Mack.

Jazz coaches and management have spoken about relieving offensive burden from Hayward and hinted that he was worn out by year end.

Why do you think it is absurd that his usage will go down when he has better tools around him? Seems pretty common sense. Jordan's usage dropped from 39% to 35% when they added Pippen.

Common sense tells us to compare the situation of adding a legitimate 2nd scorer/playmker (who is a HOF level player) to a team who only had 1 high level scorer, to the situation of the Gordon Hayward and the Jazz adding the 10th-15th best starting PG in the league.

 

[Miggs]

There is no way in my opinion that Hayward is scoring 25 a game this coming season. Based on his career arc, that sudden jump but would be more than just a little bit out of the ordinary. More importantly, given our current depth, I can't see any scenario where his minutes played goes up (more than maybe just a negligible amount) or shots go up much at all, so if that's the case, his efficiency would have to improve at historical levels for him to reach 25 points per game.

 

[Dr. Jones]

jazzfanzers will cheer Exum as an up-and-coming future all-star backed up the next game by lamenting him being on the roster and demanding a trade/cut. At least 10 times.

 

[Dr. Jones]

There is no way in my opinion that Hayward is scoring 25 a game this coming season. Based on his career arc, that sudden jump but would be more than just a little bit out of the ordinary. More importantly, given our current depth, I can't see any scenario where his minutes played goes up (more than maybe just a negligible amount) or shots go up much at all, so if that's the case, his efficiency would have to improve at historical levels for him to reach 25 points per game.

Agree with all yall.

He's going to play way smarter and more under control while picking his spots better than ever. More efficient, but not more volume.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

There is no way in my opinion that Hayward is scoring 25 a game this coming season. Based on his career arc, that sudden jump but would be more than just a little bit out of the ordinary. More importantly, given our current depth, I can't see any scenario where his minutes played goes up (more than maybe just a negligible amount) or shots go up much at all, so if that's the case, his efficiency would have to improve at historical levels for him to reach 25 points per game.

His shot attempts going up is up to him. If he wants to raise them, he has the power. I dont think it goes up that much, but I think it goes up.

 

[Miggs]

His shot attempts going up is up to him. If he wants to raise them, he has the power. I dont think it goes up that much, but I think it goes up.

Even if he takes two more shots a game (huge jump), his efficiency would still have to improve at insane, historical proportions for him to get to 25ppg.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Unless your on another continent ...it does

Now Jazz are practicing with a 14 second clock and trying to run PNR's earlier in the clock.Kinda the direction the good teams are running to WIN.

This isn't bad for Favors or Gobert either as they are young and can run.I suspect minutes will be kept down to keep ALL fresh with such a deep team

ah statistically it doesn't correlate that directly, Locke did an analysis last year of pace vs winning and it's not as strict a correlation. I seem to remember the amount of three point shots TAKEN was a much tighter indicator of the better teams than playing with the fastest pace. Plenty of teams play fast and stink.

But yes it'll definitely help us getting some quicker better shots now that we have the personnel to do it.