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green said:
Explain please.
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I think I've gone through this one before. Please tell me how the government has helped for instance a home owner make improvements in his own property to increase it's value, so that they can just turn around and take part of the capital you've gained when selling it. Give me a good reason for this to be justified. It's a blatant case of thievery that they legally get away with year after year.

Then they turn around and spend this tax money in stupid foreign interventions that haven't been approved in Congress and ****. Criminal activity in my book.
 
Jamezz said:
I think I've gone through this one before. Please tell me how the government has helped for instance a home owner make improvements in his own property to increase it's value, so that they can just turn around and take part of the capital you've gained when selling it. Give me a good reason for this to be justified. It's a blatant case of thievery that they legally get away with year after year.

Then they turn around and spend this tax money in stupid foreign interventions that haven't been approved in Congress and ****. Criminal activity in my book.
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I think there is a HUGE difference between gains on a homeowner's home and gains on a Walmart or a stock.

That being said, that home does sit on a road paid for by tax dollars. That home uses garbage, water, electricity, all subsidized by the government.

To call it unethical, I think that is a little far fetched.

I'd love to see the actual numbers of cost, what is paid in your monthly bill, if that turns a profit for the government or not and how taxes on the sale of a home factors into that.

Also, if you sell your home and reinvest that within two years, you don't pay any taxes, correct?
 
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Sanders: 94%
Stein: 93%
Clinton: 93%
Johnson: 74%
Bloomberg: 70%
Cruz: 24%
Carson: 17%
Trump: 15%
 
One of the few areas that I do agree with Bernie is when it comes to foreign policy. Let's take care of the home front first, shall we? GTFO of the middle east.
 
TroutBum said:
One of the few areas that I do agree with Bernie is when it comes to foreign policy. Let's take care of the home front first, shall we? GTFO of the middle east.
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A million times this.

Here is my crazy idea:

Bring everyone home. Cut the defense budget by 70%. Take 10% and send it Canada for being our buffer to the North. Send 10% to Mexico for being our buffer to the south. Take 10% and create a military that WE need...not the military the rest of the world needs.

Take that 70% and invest it in America. Raise taxes on those making over $400,000 (the 1%) and escalate back to where it was pre-Reagan.

Let's get people educated in a way that they can actually succeed after. Yeah, we may lose a few Walmarts. Bring back small business. Bring back competition. Get rid of this crony capitalism and allow people to compete.
 
green said:
A million times this.

Here is my crazy idea:

Bring everyone home. Cut the defense budget by 70%. Take 10% and send it Canada for being our buffer to the North. Send 10% to Mexico for being our buffer to the south. Take 10% and create a military that WE need...not the military the rest of the world needs.

Take that 70% and invest it in America. Raise taxes on those making over $400,000 (the 1%) and escalate back to where it was pre-Reagan.

Let's get people educated in a way that they can actually succeed after. Yeah, we may lose a few Walmarts. Bring back small business. Bring back competition. Get rid of this crony capitalism and allow people to compete.
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To much of a cut IMO. I say withdraw to our formally allied nations. NATO, Japan, S. Korea, Israel, Australia, Philippines...
 
green said:
A million times this.

Here is my crazy idea:

Bring everyone home. Cut the defense budget by 70%. Take 10% and send it Canada for being our buffer to the North. Send 10% to Mexico for being our buffer to the south. Take 10% and create a military that WE need...not the military the rest of the world needs.

Take that 70% and invest it in America. Raise taxes on those making over $400,000 (the 1%) and escalate back to where it was pre-Reagan.

Let's get people educated in a way that they can actually succeed after. Yeah, we may lose a few Walmarts. Bring back small business. Bring back competition. Get rid of this crony capitalism and allow people to compete.
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Well, you got the crazy part right.
 
Jamezz said:
Especially Israel, they need all the nuclear weapons they can get.
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I am not in favor of just walking away from formal treaties. If we want to, debatable, than we need to do it right and negotiate our way out. Not just drop them. If we did just drop nations (like Japan for instance) on their face that would be hell to over come in the future.
 
Has anyone noticed how Gary Johnson is a common denominator in most of us who have completed the survey? I find that very interesting.

Liberty unites.
 
I am not american so have no clue about some of the questions so answers were pretty much guesses... but I got Trump 79% and Cruz 77% as close second. Is that bad?
 
MVP said:
I am not american so have no clue about some of the questions so answers were pretty much guesses... but I got Trump 79% and Cruz 77% as close second. Is that bad?
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Let's just say you and I wouldn't be going out for a drink to celebrate the results of the election.
 
Jamezz said:
Has anyone noticed how Gary Johnson is a common denominator in most of us who have completed the survey? I find that very interesting.

Liberty unites.
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The tendency towards Gary Johnson and Sanders is just evidence of polarization.

I've taken a few versions of these polls and I always end up with Sanders as my go-to guy. With reports of various forms of voter suppression by the Clinton campaign in Massachusetts today I may just end up staying home in November. :(
 
Dr. Jones said:
The fact so many got Sanders frightens me.

I am sincerely curious whether;
1) Americans are lazy, welfare-minded, robots
2) Political correctness has gone to a whole new and ridiculous level
3) We have been infiltrated by robots

There are no other possibilities.
I'm thinking it's likely mostly #2 - in more ways than one.
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Some might just want to smoke pot, stay out of the middle east, get abortions, tax the hell out of the rich, and stop bailing out banks and wall street
 
green said:
I think it is the fact that a lot of young people don't have the american dream anymore. They were told to go to school and that would lead to success.

Now they have tons of student loans, no chance to own a small business, healthcare is not affordable, housing is not affordable, etc...

Take a look at my FIL and father. They graduated as professionals in the 70's and 80's. One graduated with $25,000 in student loans and made $75,000 his first year out. His first house was a 3,000 sq ft house for $150,000. His first car was a sports car that cost him $3,000. The other father figure gradated with $18,000 in debt and made $24,000 his first year out. His first car was $1,500 and his first house was $45,000.

Father #1 graduated with less than $200,000 in debt and made over $100,000 within his first 5 years. The second graduated with $70,000 in debt and made over $35,000 his first 5 years out.

A kid going into the same profession today? Graduated with $250,000 in student loans, a 3,000 sq foot house costs $300,000 (if you are in Utah. If you are in most other states, it is closer to $550,000) and his first care is $20,000. Oh, and his salary is still in the $75,000-100,000 range.

Can you see how people are disillusioned?

Then you toss in baby boomers that have had more wealth than anyone ever in the history of the US and they have done nothing but buy McMansions and go to Disneyland and have no real "wealth" to show for it. Now those baby boomers are bagging on millennials for not working hard....

Then you have the Republicans running around saying how Obama is a socialist for the last 9 years...yet, Obama has had a pretty successful presidency. So, if Obama is a socialist and he has done some good things, well, maybe Bernie ain't so bad.

Then you have the super pacs. Bill Clinton spent 33 million on his last presidential run. Hillary Clinton will spend close to 2 billion on her presidential bid. Do you think my vote means anything? Nope. Clinton/Rubio/Trump are all owned by the same people. Doesn't matter who wins out of those three. They will all do the same things.

I don't think it is lazy people who are voting for Sanders. In fact, the polls show the opposite. It is doctors, lawyers, young professionals with outrageous student loan debt and pay 30% in taxes while Trump/Romney/Waltons pay 13% in taxes.

It is actually the white, uneducated, social program using people voting for the Republicans.
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I think you nailed it here.
Fantastic post
 
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