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Dante Exum: The Future is Not Now

... Everyone except you clowns knew the kid was going be a project. Now y'all ready to give up on him after 3 years. Jazz fans are so frickle

Exum has played over 3,000 minutes in the NBA and you're saying the Jazz and the fans don't have patience? Seems we have plenty, probably too much. Here's every player in NBA history that played more than 3,000 minutes and put up similarly crappy stats as Exum:

https://bkref.com/tiny/V5s4v

He's almost certainly a bust, and he will get yet another chance next season.
 
Apparently, Dante has been handed a thorough and rigorous training schedule for the summer, per Locke. Jazz are trying to do a lot of work with him this summer.

That worked wonders for Favors last off-season.

(Ducks) JK
 
Where did you hear this? That is good news. The exit interviews didn't give much good info on what the plan was with Exum.

Locke mentioned it today based on his discussion with Dennis Lindsey. They're trying to develop his game to match this body/athleticism--develop floaters, develop his shot off the bounce, etc.
 
Exum has played over 3,000 minutes in the NBA and you're saying the Jazz and the fans don't have patience? Seems we have plenty, probably too much. Here's every player in NBA history that played more than 3,000 minutes and put up similarly crappy stats as Exum:

https://bkref.com/tiny/V5s4v

He's almost certainly a bust, and he will get yet another chance next season.

Fans dont need to be that patient. His stats post all-star this year have been pretty solid and he contributed to winning. Your link does not work but I am guessing it is just one stat like PER and players with the same PER which is not that useful. When healthy Exum has been one of the best players on defense at his position. That is half the game and something for his age he is elite at. That is a huge plus and shows how hard he works. Most young players suck on defense.
 
That worked wonders for Favors last off-season.

(Ducks) JK

Its a real bummer that Favors got injured. All signs pointed to him making a huge jump this season. Hopefully he can get right again although I am about 50/50 on him getting healthy.

I am glad Jazz are focused on Exum though it worked wonders when they focused on and gave Gobert very specific training plans.

Exum and Gobert share a lot in common imo. I think Exum is going to follow Goberts rise over the next few years. In 3 years when Exum is the age of Gobert is now I think he will be good.
 
Fans dont need to be that patient. His stats post all-star this year have been pretty solid and he contributed to winning. Your link does not work but I am guessing it is just one stat like PER and players with the same PER which is not that useful. When healthy Exum has been one of the best players on defense at his position. That is half the game and something for his age he is elite at. That is a huge plus and shows how hard he works. Most young players suck on defense.

Here's a better link.

https://www.basketball-reference.co...per&c2comp=lt&c2val=8&c6mult=1.0&order_by=per

Do you see any other players on that list that you think are/were good? Or just Exum?
 
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If Dante Exum can't learn how to shoot off the dribble he shouldn't be on the team past next year (or at least he should stop being the backup PG on this team past this year, he could still be an off-ball player). It's as simple as that. You cant be a primary ball-handler and be absolutely 0 threat to hit a pull up shot. Even Ricky Rubio, who is a bad 3pt shooter, has a respectable pull up jumper teams have to respect.
 
Here's a better link.

https://www.basketball-reference.co...per&c2comp=lt&c2val=8&c6mult=1.0&order_by=per

Do you see any other players on that list that you think are/were good? Or just Exum?

Yeah, like I said one stat that is kind of useless for him. Cool. What was Exums PER post all-star when he got healthy? How does that compare to others at his age?

When Gobert was Exums age his PER was better but not much it was 12.9. Although their PER was the same post all-star at the same age.

A lot of people thought Gobert would be an awesome defender off the bench and not much more. They thought he would be a huge liability on offense back then and even the next couple years. He obviously has developed a lot over the last few years. Exum is done developing? Just like Gobert stopped developing at that age right? Exum will take time but his improvements are huge.

PER does not take in your defense. It rewards stats. Really good defense does not provide a stat. How many 19 year old players have played as good of defense as Exum did? Especially how many players at 19 played that good of defense at the guard position. Yes his defense was down when he was injured but he bounced back after getting healthy/recovered from his major injury. PER does not also look good on a young developing player on a good team like the Jazz were this year. If he played on Phoenix or some other crap team and was given free reign and minutes his PER would have been better and so would his stats.

You like PER so how about this. How many players have improved their PER every month of an entire season like Exum did?

Also Exums PER was 13.5 in the playoffs this year. That is a solid PER for a 21 year old kid. Why not run that and see what kind of players had that PER in the playoffs at that age? We start to get players like Iguadola, Draymond Green, Carmelo Anthony, Clyde Drexler, Jermaine Oneil, AK47, Derrick Rose, Reggie Lewis(RIP), Shroder, Charles Oakley, Walt Frazier, Baron Davis and so on. Some of those like Davis, Reggie Lewis and Drexler played about the same minutes and had almost the same PER at the same age in the playoffs. They turned out okay and Exum is already playing defense at a better level than those 3.

Also clearly you didnt watch Exum the last half of the season and the last game of the season because you would have seen the potential oozing out of him. He is already showing signs of being an elite defender, he has elite speed, his shooting is greatly improved the last half of the season, his handle is improved and he showed it off against GS, he is getting to the rim at will, he is finishing more and more at the rim.

Hayward finished at the rim at 58% at Exums age. Exum is finishing at a 55% rate. I think Exum can improve in this area just like Hayward did and many others.

Its fine if you want to hate on him and look for negatives or search any way you can to find something to show he is a bust because his game will speak for itself going forward. The only thing that can stop him is injuries.
 
If Dante Exum can't learn how to shoot off the dribble he shouldn't be on the team past next year (or at least he should stop being the backup PG on this team past this year, he could still be an off-ball player). It's as simple as that. You cant be a primary ball-handler and be absolutely 0 threat to hit a pull up shot. Even Ricky Rubio, who is a bad 3pt shooter, has a respectable pull up jumper teams have to respect.

That's been my line of thinking for a while... this and his handle. You cannot be a point guard in this league with bad handle and no pull up game. You just can't. I cannot think of a single player in recent memory that had neither of those and was successful point guard in the league.
 
That's been my line of thinking for a while... this and his handle. You cannot be a point guard in this league with bad handle and no pull up game. You just can't. I cannot think of a single player in recent memory that had neither of those and was successful point guard in the league.

His handle looked good in the playoffs when he got a chance. He also got complimented on his handle a couple times by the national announcers. I think his poor handle is partially a myth. He can improve it but he gets by players with it and does not get it stolen from his dribble often. His handle for a player 6'6" and his age is above average.

He needs to improve his pull up jumper. I think more important is just getting a consistent 3 point shot. His shot is slowly improving. He changed his form and it improved the second half of the season and got more consistent.
 
That's been my line of thinking for a while... this and his handle. You cannot be a point guard in this league with bad handle and no pull up game. You just can't. I cannot think of a single player in recent memory that had neither of those and was successful point guard in the league.

And that's why Quin plays him off the ball. But lets see how serious he is about getting better.
 
Yeah, like I said one stat that is kind of useless for him. Cool. What was Exums PER post all-star when he got healthy? How does that compare to others at his age?

When Gobert was Exums age his PER was better but not much it was 12.9. Although their PER was the same post all-star at the same age.

A lot of people thought Gobert would be an awesome defender off the bench and not much more. They thought he would be a huge liability on offense back then and even the next couple years. He obviously has developed a lot over the last few years. Exum is done developing? Just like Gobert stopped developing at that age right? Exum will take time but his improvements are huge.

PER does not take in your defense. It rewards stats. Really good defense does not provide a stat. How many 19 year old players have played as good of defense as Exum did? Especially how many players at 19 played that good of defense at the guard position. Yes his defense was down when he was injured but he bounced back after getting healthy/recovered from his major injury. PER does not also look good on a young developing player on a good team like the Jazz were this year. If he played on Phoenix or some other crap team and was given free reign and minutes his PER would have been better and so would his stats.

You like PER so how about this. How many players have improved their PER every month of an entire season like Exum did?

Also Exums PER was 13.5 in the playoffs this year. That is a solid PER for a 21 year old kid. Why not run that and see what kind of players had that PER in the playoffs at that age? We start to get players like Iguadola, Draymond Green, Carmelo Anthony, Clyde Drexler, Jermaine Oneil, AK47, Derrick Rose, Reggie Lewis(RIP), Shroder, Charles Oakley, Walt Frazier, Baron Davis and so on. Some of those like Davis, Reggie Lewis and Drexler played about the same minutes and had almost the same PER at the same age in the playoffs. They turned out okay and Exum is already playing defense at a better level than those 3.

Also clearly you didnt watch Exum the last half of the season and the last game of the season because you would have seen the potential oozing out of him. He is already showing signs of being an elite defender, he has elite speed, his shooting is greatly improved the last half of the season, his handle is improved and he showed it off against GS, he is getting to the rim at will, he is finishing more and more at the rim.

Hayward finished at the rim at 58% at Exums age. Exum is finishing at a 55% rate. I think Exum can improve in this area just like Hayward did and many others.

Its fine if you want to hate on him and look for negatives or search any way you can to find something to show he is a bust because his game will speak for itself going forward. The only thing that can stop him is injuries.

Good post.

One thing that doesn't factor into a lot of these conversations is that Dante has been in pretty terrible shape ever since he joined the Jazz. You can't even judge a player like Dante until he has his wind and we saw a different player for the playoffs. By halfway through next season we should have a good idea of the real Dante. I'm optimistic.
 
His handle looked good in the playoffs when he got a chance. He also got complimented on his handle a couple times by the national announcers. I think his poor handle is partially a myth. He can improve it but he gets by players with it and does not get it stolen from his dribble often. His handle for a player 6'6" and his age is above average.

He needs to improve his pull up jumper. I think more important is just getting a consistent 3 point shot. His shot is slowly improving. He changed his form and it improved the second half of the season and got more consistent.

His handle is OK when when he has space and when he's not under pressure. The biggest problem is navigating through traffic with it and avoiding turnovers when pressured. In space he actually has a nice in and out dribble and a good crossover but the whole point of having a handle is so you can beat pressure and so you can navigate in traffic. For the life of me I cannot think of an instance when he's split a double team for example?
 
His handle is OK when when he has space and when he's not under pressure. The biggest problem is navigating through traffic with it and avoiding turnovers when pressured. In space he actually has a nice in and out dribble and a good crossover but the whole point of having a handle is so you can beat pressure and so you can navigate in traffic. For the life of me I cannot think of an instance when he's split a double team for example?

I will have to go through some clips and see later. He definitely needs to improve his handle though.

I am excited and expect him to make a jump next year. This is his first off season with the Jazz while healthy. Last off-season was simply recovering. It is hard to work on your game while injured including your shot and handle.
 
I will have to go through some clips and see later. He definitely needs to improve his handle though.

I am excited and expect him to make a jump next year. This is his first off season with the Jazz while healthy. Last off-season was simply recovering. It is hard to work on your game while injured including your shot and handle.

I think another thing that is overstated is that Dante has ever actually played with the ball consistently to show a lack of ability there. Even when he was "PG" he most often made the first pass and then played off the ball. He really has not had a lot of chances to show what he can do with the ball in his hands a lot. I think the way Quin chose to play him kind of turned into a self-fulfilling prophecy. Even as a rookie he really never played with the ball very much.

I think that while he would likely make more mistakes, it is important for his development to get more chances to spearhead the PnR and Iso actions going forward. That's why I loved the idea of letting him play a relatively low-stress role of PG off the bench this year.
 
And ended game shooting 5-14. Whats so exciting about it?

He had a really nice stretch. He has those once in a while. He would look like the no. 5 pick in a strong class for a quarter and then he would get back to earth. This is actually somewhat of a good sign. You start by dominating 2-3 minutes stretches, then you dominate a quarter... then you dominate a game ... then a season. Rudy started like that in the summer league when he would have those 3-4 minute stretches where he would kill the opponents on both ends, then in regular season he started dominating quarters and now he's dominating the season for the Jazz... natural progression. Hopefully Dante will start having more and more of those stretches and become more and more consistent. At the very least it shows that he has it in him to do it. Now he needs to put it together and work on his skill level which will allow him to do it.
 
His handle is OK when when he has space and when he's not under pressure. The biggest problem is navigating through traffic with it and avoiding turnovers when pressured. In space he actually has a nice in and out dribble and a good crossover but the whole point of having a handle is so you can beat pressure and so you can navigate in traffic. For the life of me I cannot think of an instance when he's split a double team for example?

His handle isnt nice at all. He can cross-over and use his speed. You rarely see him do more than 2 dribbles with his left hand.
 
That's been my line of thinking for a while... this and his handle. You cannot be a point guard in this league with bad handle and no pull up game. You just can't. I cannot think of a single player in recent memory that had neither of those and was successful point guard in the league.
Neither of those? I agree. Though I don't think you need the pull up jumper. Do need the handles though.



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