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If Kyrie wanted to come here, cool. But if Kemba wanted to come here too, I'd rather go that route. Kemba/DM/Jingles/Favors/Rudy with Crowder and Royce pulling good minutes makes me very, very happy when I think about. Nothing against Kyrie, but drama will follow him and Utah usually isn't the best situation for that.
 
bigb said:
Draymond Green has multiple rings. As does Dennis Rodman.
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Rasheed Wallace, Kevin Garnett, Bill Laimbeer, Ron Artest, Jason Kidd all come to mind as well and all had their issues and dramas on and off the court.

Hell... Kobe was in a rape lawsuit and MJ was notorious for being disliked as a teammate, had a big gambling problem and was caught paying drug dealers.

Throw in players who simply made it to the finals and you get AI’s run ins with the law, Barkley’s numerous addictions, Ewing soliciting prostitutes, etc.
 
jope said:
Rasheed Wallace, Kevin Garnett, Bill Laimbeer, Ron Artest, Jason Kidd all come to mind as well and all had their issues and dramas on and off the court.
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Those guys, Draymond and Rodman were malcontents but they werent the team leaders. So the leaders (Dirk, Pierce, Billups, Kobe, MJ, Isiah, etc.) kept those guys in check.

As for Kobe and MJ, they were top10 players all time.


Kyrie isn't a top 10 player right now much less all time. And if he came here, we dont yet have the type leader needed to keep a Kyrie in check.


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jope said:
Rasheed Wallace, Kevin Garnett, Bill Laimbeer, Ron Artest, Jason Kidd all come to mind as well and all had their issues and dramas on and off the court.

Hell... Kobe was in a rape lawsuit and MJ was notorious for being disliked as a teammate, had a big gambling problem and was caught paying drug dealers.

Throw in players who simply made it to the finals and you get AI’s run ins with the law, Barkley’s numerous addictions, Ewing soliciting prostitutes, etc.
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Yup. Talent trumps

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LoPo said:
Those guys, Draymond and Rodman were malcontents but they werent the team leaders. So the leaders (Dirk, Pierce, Billups, Kobe, MJ, Isiah, etc.) kept those guys in check.

As for Kobe and MJ, they were top10 players all time.


Kyrie isn't a top 10 player right now much less all time. And if he came here, we dont yet have the type leader needed to keep a Kyrie in check.


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Keep him in check from what? What is it that you think he would do if he were with the jazz and we were winning around 60 games?

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fishonjazz said:
Keep him in check from what? What is it that you think he would do if he were with the jazz and we were winning around 60 games?

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I mean get the best out of the team. Rasheed was great in Portland, but was refined in Detroit by amazing leadership.

I think Kyrie is an ideal 2nd option player like he was Cleveland. His fragile body and ego isn't a good fit for being an alpha on a contender. We don't have the alpha to lead Kyrie. Donovan just isn't quite there yet and Kyrie's personality could completely dominate and derail Donovan's current rapid progression.

I just think he is a terrible fit.



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LoPo said:
I mean get the best out of the team. Rasheed was great in Portland, but was refined in Detroit by amazing leadership.

I think Kyrie is an ideal 2nd option player like he was Cleveland. His fragile body and ego isn't a good fit for being an alpha on a contender. We don't have the alpha to lead Kyrie. Donovan just isn't quite there yet and Kyrie's personality could completely dominate and derail Donovan's current rapid progression.

I just think he is a terrible fit.



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Good point. The question is do we win a championship with Kyrie? That's the gamble.
 
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