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The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

This goes way beyond Watergate or blowjobgate. He extorted a foreign President to influence our election. I'd like a list of what could be worse. I'm pretty sure it would be a short list.
 
No. It's the little weird clique of JFC old-timers who routinely run off people who won't just flatter you.

Babe, you're a sad, pathetic little individual. What was brought to light today is probably the most egregious abuse of power fostered on the US by a President and you're worried about yourself.
 
He gives a sincere apology later on in the thread. He also gets called out multiple times. Maybe read the whole thing before spouting off.

I disagree. Rhetoric that poor deserves to be called out multiple times, sometimes even after the apology.
 
Again, there are actual concrete ways to strengthen America’s democracy. Electing Gabbard or re-electing Trump isn’t it. If electing Trump in 2016 didn’t strengthen our institutions, why would giving him 4 more years to the trick?

For those who aren’t sure if Trump is weakening our institutions, please step out of your cave and look and how he’s corrupted our State Dept and DOJ.

Let’s not overreact here, American democracy is threatened by Trump and needs to be strengthened by certain reforms. But the entire system doesn’t need to be blown up. The cynicism one reads on libertarian and far right/left message boards these is astounding.

Oh good. So I made your ignore club.

inverted logic authoritarianism on parade.

I would not have been surprised if Trump just went on with Obama's program, really. I mean, why bother changing anything.

Obama's first move outta the White House was to buy another mansion in DC where he planned to stay involved in politics, as a sort of mastermind of progress. This is the Establishment you consider the relevant American Institutions that must be preserved. This is what "The Resistance" is all about.

And while Trump has done way too much of trying to preserve continuity, being inclusive of many of the old bureaucrats and maybe being unable to throw enough of them overboard, the things he has actually changed have been, to my wishes, the better things he could have done.

making America great again is code for dismantling some aspects of the progressive ideal of leveling the world powers somehow. But China has proven rogue to that program, and is clearly taking a course to just become the one damn superpower everybody has to submit to. So it's time for a new plan.

Pretty sure none of you in here would really like that. Of course, I understand, if you live in China you have no choice.

What we will just have to do is look after our interests better, and make sure we can defend ourselves, and prosper. This is no time for unhinged idealism or impractical experimental social change.

Obama's program, and all of his "institutional" statecrafters, has got to be trashed. And those who won't get on the team to change our course need to be fired.

So here's some new legislation I propose: The Responsive Government Service Act.....

Government employees must be paid no more than 80% of the total compensation package of their private employment peers. No retirement package for elected officials. You serve, you go home and work for a living. Public Service job time limits. No one can work for the government.... Federal, State, County, Town or any other local government operation for more than a cumulative total of 10 years.
Criminal penalties for nepotism or using government office to motivate payments from businesses or anyone else (including foreign sources)

The law would require almost all government officials to immediately resign.

Thriller thinks these ******* parasites are the essential "institutions" of society. Thriller would, as a public school teacher, be one who needs to resign.

It's the best thing we can do for our kids.
 
So here's some new legislation I propose: The Responsive Government Service Act.....

Government employees must be paid no more than 80% of the total compensation package of their private employment peers. No retirement package for elected officials. You serve, you go home and work for a living. Public Service job time limits. No one can work for the government.... Federal, State, County, Town or any other local government operation for more than a cumulative total of 10 years.

So, your cure to having (in your view) a conspiracy of the rich secretly influencing government is to arrange it so only the wealthy can afford to work in government?
 
I disagree. Rhetoric that poor deserves to be called out multiple times, sometimes even after the apology.

I disagree. Who gives you the right to presume authoritative judgment to call out poor rhetoric.

Some may not be all that familiar with "our" manners and opinions. If you think you have some kind of better way, your rights consist of deciding how you will conduct yourself, and pretty much make every effort to instruct others (as this little blurb may be, for example) beyond your actual rights.

If anyone can really, actually, conform themselves to the ideal of respecting others, it consists of being gracious to those you are inclined to view as having lesser notions of propriety.
 
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So, your cure to having (in your view) a conspiracy of the rich secretly influencing government is to arrange it so only the wealthy can afford to work in government?

It actually is the reverse of what your logic misleads you believe. The wealthy wouldn't be "stupid" enough to work for less pay, and anyone who just doesn't need the pay..... like, for example, Trump.....might choose to do the job for the altruistic sorts of reasons.....and every schemer with a penchant for personal benefit would just gag at the idea of being so constrained.

The important thing is to demolish the linkage between government office and government power from the personal benefits you can receive from favored sources.

Then even the very rich could not benefit personally from the government position.

80% pay in any profession or managerial sort of position will never be much less than the average citizen. As a rule, it will still be about 150% of the average income. You just won't make it to being a millionaire for your 10 years in public service. And, since you cannot pass out guvmint favors in office, you won't be doing any of the revolving door career moves that just benefit the cartelists. So you will likely just get a job in the private sector when you're done that is nothing like your little public gig.

It'd still be a good life.

You would actually become a better human being for your years in service, and it would still be a much appreciated virtue that you are not an "institution" of government we can not do without.
 
I disagree. Rhetoric that poor deserves to be called out multiple times, sometimes even after the apology.

He's free to call him out as much as he wants. I'm just advocating that he read all the responses first. At least he'd be aware that he was rehashing what's already been said. Best case scenario, he finds something unique to add to the mass rebuke.
 
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