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The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

Further remarks on the reasons for the DumpTrump crusade.....
It's not really about office perks or emoluments, nepotism, or manners, not at all. And it's not at all about laws or impeachable offenses, either. All that stuff is pretty much run out because of underlying issues. I mean, if Hillary had won in 2016, there'd be no outrage, no Dem/Press talk about our democracy being threatened, our Constitution being raped and pillaged by some damn Viking fresh off the boat. That's what Orange Man Bad really is. A sorta modern Viking come ashore to sack the village, in the minds of the cool insider establishment career folks.

If HIllary had won, I think, we'd still have 20,000 soldiers in Iraq. And we'd be begging Iran to help us, since that's what we bribed them for with that treaty and all the payola. They'd be nukies, too. And Russia wouldn't know how to flank us in the mideast. Lotsa body bags coming home with assorted pieces of soldiers. Lotsa soldiers going to jail for farting in the presence of the Enemy. Just a bit of exaggeration. Obama's Rules of Engagement were costing American lives. And lots of ripped up soldiers with no legs, or arms, or balls. So maybe you could get a clue why a lot of soldiers and their families didn't vote for Hillary.

But our career managerial guvmint wonks don't care at all about that.

It's the crisis about climate change. It's about bringing America into balance with Russia and China, reducing our military advantages and our sense of being the big kid on the block. It's about the socialist agenda..... single payer health care, open borders, slaves pouring voluntarily to our big meat packing plants, our hotels/motels/casinos/ resorts..... doing our groundskeeping and window washing, flipping our burgers, all for a pittance that creates such a nice profit for our major corporations. Our Koch brothers. Cheap talent for our Silicon Valley/Slopes folks, from India, too.

Who the Hell is this Orange Man and the obscene outdated quaint notion of MAGA. It's outrageous.

I know. Lets do a poll. How many of you even care what a schmuck does as Pres. It's the big dream of the better world that matters. Trump's just farting in the cushions. It's the intoxicating addiction to having things go the way you believe.

The Resistance is all about having things stay on track with the program, like they'd be if Hillary had won.
 
Zombie said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/27/us/politics/fbi-trump-campaign-inspector-general.html

Not much of a surprise here, although I was assured that the IG report was going to be damning for the Russia investigation.
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No surprise in the overall conclusions. The Ukraine revelations that have spurred an impeachment inquiry, should also now make it more difficult for AG Barr to put over a Ukraine conspiracy theory onto the public, via the Durham probe, if that was the plan. At least I hope so. Been frustrating watching these lying *%}*# push their alternative reality.

You beat me to it, was about to post this. I'll post anyway, for those who can't get past the Times paywall:

https://thehill.com/policy/national...ussia-probe-to-find-no-spying-by-fbi-ny-times

"An investigation by an internal government watchdog has not found evidence that the FBI tried to put informants in President Trump's 2016 campaign, The New York Times reported Wednesday, citing people familiar with a draft report on the probe.

The Times reported that the finding is one of several by Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz that impairs Trump-ally claims of impropriety by the bureau. It reportedly finds that the FBI didn't act in a politically motivated manner when seeking to wiretap then-Trump campaign aide Carter Page.

The draft report criticizes FBI officials for alleged errors and omissions, the Times reported. It reportedly concludes that the FBI was careless when trying to wiretap Page and accuses a lawyer of altering a document in 2017.

The front-line lawyer, Kevin Clinesmith, could face criminal charges, according to the newspaper.

Neither The Hill nor the Times has reviewed the draft report. The people familiar cautioned the Times that it is not finalized.

The Times reported that the document will also debunk the claim that the FBI relied on a dossier by former British spy Christopher Steele, though it will say the bureau should have told judges about possible issues with the document.

President Trump, Attorney General William Barr and other allies of the president have said the Trump campaign may have been spied on.
 
Red said:
I don't think I'm stupid at all, and all one had to do was follow along closely the past three years to at least see Trump's deference to Putin. Your own opinion of Trump strikes me as inexplicably naive, like you've been living under a rock, such as the observation "he wants everyone to do well". Say what? An inexplicably incorrect assessment IMO.

But, in truth, I think the dueling narratives, and the fact that each side has extreme difficulty understanding the other, trying to understand what it can possibly be like in the other's shoes, is one of the most interesting, and perplexing, and daunting, phenomenon in our present crisis.

I am continually baffled by Trump fans who are absolutely blind to that which is so easy to see. I have no idea what you see in the guy, and listening to you and his other supporters here describe him, leaves me wondering if we live in the same country and if we're talking about the same guy.
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I will be the only non-Trump fan at Thanksgiving dinner tomorrow. It might be a really long day.
 
babe said:
What you are describing is a sort of inertial social reality I don't know if we can really overcome exactly. The Way Things Are. It's like inheriting a British Estate with the house staff and gardeners. They know how things should be done, and usually just don't want to be told something else. I think it is a problem for corporations and small businesses, too..... even for families.
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I don't disagree, but it really complicates accountability, and how to hold our elected officials to any standard of integrity. What I hear conservatives saying is a whole lot of "yeah, but [insert Democrat] did [insert corrupt thing]", as if to say that since that went unprosecuted, so should this. Probably all acts should be called out and dealt with, but the reality is they aren't, and Obama/Clinton/Biden (assuming they did something criminal) simply weren't brought to justice. Since we clearly have to start somewhere in order to bring about change, why not start here? Why not Trump? What is it, exactly, that makes him untouchable, other than angry-fist-shaking at how unfair it is that [insert Democrat] got away with it, and so should he. I mean... that's really some playground justice thinking ********, isn't it? The fact efforts to call out Trump and hold him accountable have been more effective, and gotten a lot further, than any attempts to do the same with [insert Democrat] doesn't invalidate those efforts. It's just bitter beans on the part of that side of the political spectrum.
 
Very normal for a world leader to tweet this



Be honest, if this were your grandpa tweeting out nonsense like this, you’d be looking to take away his car keys and put him in a home. But this guy has access to 2,000 nuclear warheads. And we want to give him even more time in office? Crazy.
 
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The Thriller said:
Very normal for a world leader to tweet this



Be honest, if this were your grandpa tweeting out nonsense like this, you’d be looking to take away his car keys and put him in a home. But this guy has access to 2,000 nuclear warheads.
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He is such a childish loser.
An adult infant.
A mental midget.


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JazzGal said:
I will be the only non-Trump fan at Thanksgiving dinner tomorrow. It might be a really long day.
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Good luck, I salute you.

Fortunately there isn't a single Trump supporter on my side of the family, where we will be tomorrow, although there are many on my wife's side.
 
North Korea firing off missiles again today.

“Kim considers Trump as his political hostage and sees himself in a position to dictate the terms of the deal by demonstrating his capability to influence Trump’s chance for re-election,” said Chun Yungwoo, South Korea’s former chief envoy to international nuclear disarmament talks with North Korea.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korea-appears-fired-missile-081315782.html

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fishonjazz said:
North Korea firing off missiles again today.

“Kim considers Trump as his political hostage and sees himself in a position to dictate the terms of the deal by demonstrating his capability to influence Trump’s chance for re-election,” said Chun Yungwoo, South Korea’s former chief envoy to international nuclear disarmament talks with North Korea.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korea-appears-fired-missile-081315782.html

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This Chun Yungwoo, South Korea’s former chief envoy to international nuclear disarmament talks with North Korea dude is probably just part of the Obama deep state department conspiracy team

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On Wednesday night, Fox News host Tucker Carlson actually agreed with many media outlets and admitted that President Trump has been less than truthful with the American people. According to the Washington Post, as of last month, Trump had told over 13,000 false or misleading statements since taking office, including claims by the president and those in his administration that his was the largest inaugural crowd in U.S. history. After nearly three years, Carlson refuted that claim.

“We’re not gonna lie to you, that was untrue,” Carlson said. “The crowd at the 2017 inauguration was not the largest ever measured at the National Mall. Sorry, it wasn’t. Why did the president claim that it was? Well, because that’s who he is.” Carlson went on to say, “Donald Trump is a salesman, he’s a talker, a boaster, a booster, a compulsive self-promoter. At times he’s a full-blown BS artist.”

And though it may seem Carlson was trashing the president, he was actually making the case that it’s okay for Trump to be untruthful because “that’s who he is."
 
Zombie said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/27/us/politics/fbi-trump-campaign-inspector-general.html

Not much of a surprise here, although I was assured that the IG report was going to be damning for the Russia investigation.
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fishonjazz said:
On Wednesday night, Fox News host Tucker Carlson actually agreed with many media outlets and admitted that President Trump has been less than truthful with the American people. According to the Washington Post, as of last month, Trump had told over 13,000 false or misleading statements since taking office, including claims by the president and those in his administration that his was the largest inaugural crowd in U.S. history. After nearly three years, Carlson refuted that claim.

“We’re not gonna lie to you, that was untrue,” Carlson said. “The crowd at the 2017 inauguration was not the largest ever measured at the National Mall. Sorry, it wasn’t. Why did the president claim that it was? Well, because that’s who he is.” Carlson went on to say, “Donald Trump is a salesman, he’s a talker, a boaster, a booster, a compulsive self-promoter. At times he’s a full-blown BS artist.”

And though it may seem Carlson was trashing the president, he was actually making the case that it’s okay for Trump to be untruthful because “that’s who he is."
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There is some factual basis in the Fox business that some young "turks" are assuming more control from the old guard. Fox is moving liberal, to be cool and with it generally. This is nothing but what anyone should expect, it's "The Way Things Are". However, some other conservative platforms are gaining steam and filling up the slack.

I think Carlson is the BS artist, as much as anyone.....
 
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Conservative organization Republicans for the Rule of Law has called out President Donald Trump with yet another critical ad.

In its new 32-second clip released online Wednesday, the group questions the White House’s refusal to allow key witnesses in the Ukraine scandal to testify before Congress in the impeachment inquiry that targets Trump.

“These witnesses must testify,” the voiceover says of Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and former National Security Adviser John Bolton.

“What is Trump afraid of?” the narrator adds.

The ad is slated to air on Fox News’ flagship morning show “Fox & Friends” for several days.

Republicans for the Rule of Law executive director Sarah Longwell said in a statement that the House impeachment hearings “have presented startling evidence” that Trump “abused his power, strong-arming a foreign government to interfere on his behalf in the upcoming election, and damaging national security in the process.”

“The president denies the allegations, but won’t let key administration officials ― including Vice President Mike Pence, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Energy Secretary Rick Perry, and White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney ― testify to Congress,” Longwell added. “If the president did nothing wrong, what does he have to hide? If they tell the truth, what is he afraid of? Most importantly, will Republicans in Congress allow the president to simply ignore their constitutionally mandated oversight role?”

https://news.yahoo.com/republicans-for-the-rule-of-law-trump-hiding-ad-074743515.html
 
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