Coronavirus

[Zombie]

Yes agreed, would for sure be higher, but I do not believe for one second we'd hit anywhere close to the projections unless we went back to the stone ages, and a majority of the population we weren't able to work from home, wash their hands, use hand sanitizer, obtain face masks etc ..... I think it seems borderline fact that COVID is no where near as dangerous as everyone first thought.

I disagree, from what I've seen the problems in the models were not based on mistakes surrounding the infectiousness or deadliness of the virus, but about how quickly and thoroughly social distancing would slow it down. Once we got data from the steps taken in Europe the models were updated to give a more accurate picture of how well we can expect such measures to work.

But even if you take 700k as the worst it would possibly have gotten, that's an incredible toll on human life.

 

[Beer]

I disagree, from what I've seen the problems in the models were not based on mistakes surrounding the infectiousness or deadlines of the virus, but about how quickly and thoroughly social distancing would slow it down. Once we got data from the steps taken in Europe the models were updated to give a more accurate picture of how well we can expect such measures to work.

But even if you take 700k as the worst it would possibly have gotten, that's an incredible toll on human life.

Yeah, 700k would be awful, but we aren't, and won't, and never were on track for that. And I'm not saying nothing should have been done, I'm saying we took things way too far. Old and sick should have quarantined themselves, masks should be mandatory, hand washing and hand sanitizing should be drilled into everyones heads on every radio and tv commercial, there should be large teams sanitizing the cities hand rails, public transit, etc ..... non stop. Shutting down the entire world is nonsensical and will cause way more harm than more deaths would.

 

[Zombie]

Yeah, 700k would be awful, but we aren't, and won't, and never were on track for that. And I'm not saying nothing should have been done, I'm saying we took things way too far. Old and sick should have quarantined themselves, masks should be mandatory, hand washing and hand sanitizing should be drilled into everyones heads on every radio and tv commercial, there should be large teams sanitizing the cities hand rails, public transit, etc ..... non stop. Shutting down the entire world is nonsensical and will cause way more harm than more deaths would.

I don't understand how you can say we weren't on track for that when we saw that this last week. Do you think it would have just petered out on its own? I mean handwashing and sanitizers are all well and good, but that's not a mitigation strategy.

 

[Scat]

Found this interesting.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/nyu-s...le-biggest-factor-in-new-york-critical-cases/

 

[Deleted member 365]

Anyone watchin this **** show? I expect all state’s rights republicans to be up in arms over Trump’s proclamation that the president can do whatever the **** he wants.

 

[Beer]

I don't understand how you can say we weren't on track for that when we saw that this last week. Do you think it would have just petered out on its own? I mean handwashing and sanitizers are all well and good, but that's not a mitigation strategy.

My point is is that everyone went balls to the wall quarantine and shutting everything down based off faulty and inaccurate data and fear. I believe this level of shutdowns is unnecessary. Maybe some big metros like NYC, SF, LA, etc .... it could have been more logical but a country wide, or even worldwide blanket level of shutdowns is stupid.

 

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[MVP]

Right now the US is at just over 62 deaths per million people. By comparison, Italy is at 322 deaths per million.

It just started in USA, you guys are where Italy was 1.5 month ago.. And your health system, government response and general population awareness levels are way bellow Italian. How about average health of american vs italian? Also check how many ventilators per capita USA has vs Italy and it is easy to see how the death number in USA will keep rising.

 

[fishonjazz]

Maybe let's wait until he's fired?

I dunno, just a thought.

We will definitely wait until he is fired to discuss the actual firing but hypotheticals can be discussed without hindsight. That's one of the cool things about hypotheticals.
They get discussed on this site all the time. This is one of those times.
Deal with it.

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[infection]

It just started in USA, you guys are where Italy was 1.5 month ago.. And your health system, government response and general population awareness levels are way bellow Italian. How about average health of american vs italian? Also check how many ventilators per capita USA has vs Italy and it is easy to see how the death number in USA will keep rising.

1.5 months behind Italy? Okay. If that’s the case, boy howdy did we get numbers to plateau much quicker. Also, Italy’s median age is 10 years older, they smoke 50%+ more, and we have 3x the number of critical care beds. The US does have twice as much diabetes. But our hospitalizations are going down, the number of positive tests has plateaued and decreased for a week, and daily deaths have been flat. Curious in hearing more about being 1.5 months behind Italy.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

It just started in USA, you guys are where Italy was 1.5 month ago.. And your health system, government response and general population awareness levels are way bellow Italian. How about average health of american vs italian? Also check how many ventilators per capita USA has vs Italy and it is easy to see how the death number in USA will keep rising.

Reportedly, the U.S. was running 11 days behind Italy, based on the growing number of infections. So now it's 1.5 months?

 

[Beer]

It just started in USA, you guys are where Italy was 1.5 month ago.. And your health system, government response and general population awareness levels are way bellow Italian. How about average health of american vs italian? Also check how many ventilators per capita USA has vs Italy and it is easy to see how the death number in USA will keep rising.

lol to this entire post