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Piso said:
Total excess deaths per million people (updated May 27) :
Spain : 920 excess deaths per million people
United Kingdom : 890
Italy : 780
Belgium : 750
Netherlands : 520
France and Sweden : 370
Portugal : 270
Switzerland : 230
US : 200
Austria : 140
Germany : 70
Denmark : 60
Norway : 20

source : financial times
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Wes Mantooth said:
lol wut does this even mean?
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Hi Piso, would you please include the link to the FT source? Can't find that chart (found others though)

lol @Political Jazz Fan. You have no idea what you liked, just that US is not first and somehow that supports one of your arguments?. Take the time to digest information, look into it and then make your own conclusions. I'll explain:

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https://www.ft.com/content/6b4c784e-c259-4ca4-9a82-648ffde71bf0

Excess deaths basically compares current deaths to historial data (5-year averages, same time of year). It's a proxy of covid's fatalities but most importantly, an indicator of underreporting or the country ability in collecting data. Thus, it relies heavily on how the country gather's its data, how quickly data is updated it and how it assigns cause of deaths. Unfortunately, data is pretty limited and unreliable (about 20 countries are included in the analysis) and therefore could paint a misleading figure globally. But still, an indicator to consider.

So, @Political Jazz Fan What you can take from Graph 1, is that covid data reporting in US is not as bad as other countries and that there is a strong geographical concentration of the desease (that's why when using per million, it kind of hides regional impacts because the denominator is so high...India or China will always fare well using this indicator...US should but it's not, really). That's why FT also show data at the city level. Graph 2: overall impact (yup, US is ****ed). Graph 3: it's about timing and incorporates at which point of the curve the country is: being at the top means you are at the deadliest point. Unfortunately, it's mostly European countries and US: the graph would look totally different if it included more Latin American countries like Mexico or Brasil (we are peaking now).

What these indicators doesn't tell you anything about is the country's response: US still leads the world in number of deaths, excess deaths and confirmed infected. By far. And the federal government's response has been donkey's ***.

Do with that what you want, I don't expect you to reply or engage in a thoughtful debate.
 
The Thriller said:
343 today, a new record high.

https://www.ksl.com/article/46758608/utah-sees-343-new-cases-of-covid-19-1-more-death
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Yeah, this isn't good. Set a record high one day with 215 positives and then smash that record the next with 343. If we set another record tomorrow, well...

I was at walmart yesterday and while about a week ago almost everyone was wearing a mask yesterday very few people were. If it was 1 out of 5 I'd be surprised. The percentage was a little skewed because it seemed the least likely to be wearing a mask were people in groups, some groups up to 6-7 people, several of which did not appear to be family, just a big ol' group of friends hanging out at the Walmart. Most people wearing masks were by themselves.
 
Gameface said:
Yeah, this isn't good. Set a record high one day with 215 positives and then smash that record the next with 343. If we set another record tomorrow, well...

I was at walmart yesterday and while about a week ago almost everyone was wearing a mask yesterday very few people were. If it was 1 out of 5 I'd be surprised. The percentage was a little skewed because it seemed the least likely to be wearing a mask were people in groups, some groups up to 6-7 people, several of which did not appear to be family, just a big ol' group of friends hanging out at the Walmart. Most people wearing masks were by themselves.
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My experience is the same. A few weeks ago, at least half the people at the store were wearing masks. Today? I’m the only customer. Even seniors citizens aren’t wearing masks. And social distancing is gone too. People aren’t distancing at all while in stores or waiting in line.
 
sirkickyass said:
I have this funny idea that I should be able to believe what the POTUS says.
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I have this funny idea that we should be able to believe what a lot of people are saying, but I don't think you are getting us any closer to the truth by applying your biased scrutiny to statements like the one we were discussing, especially when you are clearly interested in scrutinizing only one side of the equation.
 
The Thriller said:
I think the issue here is that American right since Nixon has provoked white resentment. It was a cheap and easy way to win votes from the south from angry segregationists.

Reagan used evangelicals and exploited their fears of losing power to a more secular society.

Since 2009, Republicans have given up outreach. They're not even pretending to care about civil rights or equality. As their party has shrunk and has become more homogeneous, they've become more extreme in their rhetoric and more absurd in their victimhood.

While Democrats have used victimhood in the past, I think their use of it has legitimacy. Women and minorities are treated unequally. Republicans meanwhile, exploit white resentment to pretend that they're somehow losing power by sharing it more broadly. Even today, you see Republicans bitching about the government, despite having unparalleled power for years. Even today, you hear them whining about social issues, despite still largely clinging to power.
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What could possibly be more ironic than listening to the winiest guy on the board complain about how the problem with the people he disagrees is that they are exploiting victimhood. This is rich.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I have this funny idea that we should be able to believe what a lot of people are saying, but I don't think you are getting us any closer to the truth by applying your biased scrutiny to statements like the one we were discussing, especially when you are clearly interested in scrutinizing only one side of the equation.
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Do you believe that Trump tells more falsehoods than the average person Joe?
 
Even though the Utah case count was not good today, similar to the stock market, look at the trends vs. the dailies.

The weekend count is always lower. A rolling seven day average is a better indication of a trend line.

We are basically almost 14 days out from Mother’s Day and an increase in gatherings sustained will show that we are taking our foot off the gas at the wrong time. Hope it’s an anamoly, but judging by my errands today, decreased masks, packed splash pads and general ‘over it’ behavior means we will continue this slow bleed.
 
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babe said:
besides politics, what do you believe triggers our use of epithets like "covidiots"??
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Meh.., it’s mostly a term to describe paranoid conspiracy theorists who think Covid is fake and government is out to get everybody via microchiped vaccine. And they were pointing to Sweden as example that no quarantine was needed in order to save economy. When in reality all neighbouring countries did way better. And Swedens lose approach did not save their economy either.
 
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