Coronavirus

[Red]

I’ve been watching a lot of the demonstrations on cable. And I’ve noticed the subject seldom turns to the lack of Covid-19 precautions. Which, face it, the nature of angry and violent mobs pretty much precludes such precautions. But, I would not say “not a word” has been uttered on the subject. I have heard commentators discussing this. We’ll see what opening up, in whatever form, including riots, leads to. Certainly, the pool party in Missouri that became a focus for fear of Covid-19 spread brought the issue front and center. The demonstrations could easily do the same, but, overall, they have not. But, we will see if, weeks or however long from now, if there is an increase in cases in Minneapolis, Atlanta, etc., etc., etc. But, in fairness, I have heard some discussion of these demonstrations and Covid-19. Also, in fairness, the fact that it does not often come up has been noticeable to me. I do think it’s understandable, though, so I do think the tweet saying “it was never about your safety” is a disingenuous argument.

 

[The Thriller]

I’ve been watching a lot of the demonstrations on cable. And I’ve noticed the subject seldom turns to the lack of Covid-19 precautions. Which, face it, the nature of angry and violent mobs pretty much precludes such precautions. But, I would not say “not a word” has been uttered on the subject. I have heard commentators discussing this. We’ll see what opening up, in whatever form, including riots, leads to. Certainly, the pool party in Missouri that became a focus for fear of Covid-19 spread brought the issue front and center. The demonstrations could easily do the same, but, overall, they have not. But, we will see if, weeks or however long from now, if there is an increase in cases in Minneapolis, Atlanta, etc., etc., etc. But, in fairness, I have heard some discussion of these demonstrations and Covid-19. Also, in fairness, the fact that it does not often come up has been noticeable to me. I do think it’s understandable, though.

Issues of systemic racism and police brutality egged on by Trump and his supporters supersede concerns of Covid for many people in this country.

This has been building for a while now. I mean we saw horrendous crimes of police brutality under Obama. Racism didn’t start or end with Obama or Trump. But I do think Trump’s “take our country back” and “MAGA” has pushed the emotions of many to a boiling point to where many just don’t care about covid at the moment. Even right now, the world’s loudest megaphone is practically begging for a civil war right now between his supporters and these protests.

Who’s going to care about covid as long as this is happening?



in some ways I wonder if trump thinks this helps him so it takes the focus away from covid and the economy?

 

[Red]

Issues of systemic racism and police brutality egged on by Trump and his supporters supersede concerns of Covid for many people in this country.

This has been building for a while now. I mean we saw horrendous crimes of police brutality under Obama. Racism didn’t start or end with Obama or Trump. But I do think Trump’s “take our country back” and “MAGA” has pushed the emotions of many to a boiling point to where many just don’t care about covid at the moment. Even right now, the world’s loudest megaphone is practically begging for a civil war right now between his supporters and these protests.

Who’s going to care about covid as long as this is happening?

Everything you are saying here basically encapsulates the reasoning behind my statement “I do think it’s understandable” (that there has been little mention of these crowds and Covid-19), and the reason I found the statement “it was never about your safety” an inaccurate statement.

 

[infection]

I’ve been watching a lot of the demonstrations on cable. And I’ve noticed the subject seldom turns to the lack of Covid-19 precautions. Which, face it, the nature of angry and violent mobs pretty much precludes such precautions. But, I would not say “not a word” has been uttered on the subject. I have heard commentators discussing this. We’ll see what opening up, in whatever form, including riots, leads to. Certainly, the pool party in Missouri that became a focus for fear of Covid-19 spread brought the issue front and center. The demonstrations could easily do the same, but, overall, they have not. But, we will see if, weeks or however long from now, if there is an increase in cases in Minneapolis, Atlanta, etc., etc., etc. But, in fairness, I have heard some discussion of these demonstrations and Covid-19. Also, in fairness, the fact that it does not often come up has been noticeable to me. I do think it’s understandable, though, so I do think the tweet saying “it was never about your safety” is a disingenuous argument.

If the rates don’t increase, we can blame toppled infrastructure and a dispersement of protestors back to where they came from for the reasons of why rates didn’t increase.

I’m keeping you two weeks ahead of the narrative here and you can bookmark this.

“The cities are in shambles and can’t appropriately test and people don’t feel safe getting tested, and the rest of the protestors weren’t from the immediate area anyway, so another failed attempt to spike the football.” [/2-3 weeks from now]

 

[Red]

If the rates don’t increase, we can blame toppled infrastructure and a dispersement of protestors back to where they came from for the reasons of why rates didn’t increase.

I’m keeping you two weeks ahead of the narrative here and you can bookmark this.

“The cities are in shambles and can’t appropriately test and people don’t feel safe getting tested, and the rest of the protestors weren’t from the immediate area anyway, so another failed attempt to spike the football.” [/2-3 weeks from now]

I have assumed, without knowing actual numbers, that some of the demonstrators, in any of the cities witnessing demonstrations, were not from those cities, or the immediate surrounding area.

I’m also not making any assumptions whatsoever about how the virus will play out going forward. I have no idea. I have 3 major risk factors, plus age. So the one thing I am certain of is that I will be proceeding as carefully as possible. My wife and I both grew up as loners, and we pretty much keep to ourselves anyway, and are retired to boot. So, all in all, it will be somewhat more “natural” for us to continue being loners....

 

[infection]

I have assumed, without knowing actual numbers, that some of the demonstrators, in any of the cities witnessing demonstrations, were not from those cities, or the immediate surrounding area.

I’m also not making any assumptions whatsoever about how the virus will play out going forward. I have no idea. I have 3 major risk factors, plus age. So the one thing I am certain of is that I will be proceeding as carefully as possible. My wife and I both grew up as loners, and we pretty much keep to ourselves anyway, and are retired to boot. So, all in all, it will be somewhat more “natural” for us to continue being loners....

I want to be clear, I’m not saying that you are making those prognostications. But this topic will come up again. And we all wish to find narratives that are more consistent with the way that we already see things. So if there’s not a spike (my guess is that there either isn’t, or it’s a small increase), this narrative, that nobody thinking is thinking about right now, will become predictably palatable and “duh, of course.”

 

[The Thriller]

269 new cases today and 5 new deaths. Second highest single day recording for both. Our average over the past 3 days is 275 new cases per day.

 

[Red]

I want to be clear, I’m not saying that you are making those prognostications. But this topic will come up again. And we all wish to find narratives that are more consistent with the way that we already see things. So if there’s not a spike (my guess is that there either isn’t, or it’s a small increase), this narrative, that nobody thinking is thinking about right now, will become predictably palatable and “duh, of course.”

Oh sure, you were very clear. I understood your point, and I get what you are saying about narratives.

 

[Avery]

269 new cases today and 5 new deaths. Second highest single day recording for both. Our average over the past 3 days is 275 new cases per day.

Trends are not looking good. Want to see some more data pile in, but this isn’t flattening.

This is not exponential growth, but irritated by the fact that the new normal has to be this way because we couldn’t lock ourselves up for two weeks from the get go.

 

[babe]

I could be wrong but I think not wanting to be butchered by police because of your race might relate to safety.

How about just admitting you don't care if you're wrong as long as you get to verbally abuse people whatever they do.

It's clear that violent agitators are being paid to go to planned demonstrations, whether most of the demonstrators want them or not.

Nobody is even claiming they want anyone harmed, except for those mostly paid but a few mentally impaired or criminal perpetrators

of the violence.

The local NAACP was on the radio last night disavowing the violence, and SLC mayor (dem) as well.

Every level of government and law enforcement has spoken strongly against the unjustified killing.

Hey, I've had hotshot cops wanna roll me on the pavement and sit on neck, too. These kinds of "cops" need to be culled outta law enforcement service, and most police depts do try to do that.

Somewhere I was discussing a concept called "Arrogance of Power". It shows up with authority universally unless we hold "authorities" accountable for what they do, and unless we prosecute those who abuse their power.

 

[babe]

It looked to me like some politicians really abused their power in the shutdown and orders given, many of which were pretty nonsensical. I think this contributes to peoples' growing resentment against the measures, even in the case of actually good or well-reasoned and well-implemented ones. Most "conservatives" who go off disregarding something the government is trying to do are reacting something actually stupid pushed from idealistic or collegiate intellectual people who don't know something the man on the street actually knows.

Government officials of every kind would do better trying to give credit to their peon critics where there's basis for the criticism. It's called government "service" not "herd management".

The main reasons the policies need to be changed to allow more exercise of basic rights include (1) the policies are bs in the first place. (2) the data is "cooked".... not really a good measure of either the danger or the efficacy of the policies... (3) People already believe there's a real danger, and will implement good sense in their work, vacations, shopping and their homes anyway.....(4) We can now treat serious cases much better, with less danger of being pushed beyond our capacities....(5) There is actually good reason to believe those seriously affected will not be more than 1% of the population, and we know who those most at risk actually are. We can take needed precautions focused on those people.

For hell's sake..... it looks like ignoramus government edicts actually caused 30% of the serious or fatal cases now. Stupid orders to put carriers in care centers, like Cuomo ordered.

I'd say that 30,000 wrongful deaths due to government abuse oughta be worth 30,000 times as much as the dumbship cop episode. Let's get Cuomo locked up. OK?

 

[leftyjace]

Well... I just got tested. A very interesting experience.
Should know within the next 24-48 hours.

We were both negative.

 

[fishonjazz]

We were both negative.

That's good.
My wife got tested too. Negative as well

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[Avery]

264 cases today, quite high for a weekend.

That spring to summer heat doesn’t seem to be killing anything it would seem, but in Dr. Trump I trust.

 

[Gameface]

264 cases today, quite high for a weekend.

That spring to summer heat doesn’t seem to be killing anything it would seem, but in Dr. Trump I trust.

last 4 days have all been higher than any previous day.

 

[fishonjazz]

last 4 days have all been higher than any previous day.

Do we know if more tests are being administered as well? That in and if itself could produce more positive tests.
Last 4 says have been more people testing positive than any previous day. Have the last 4 days also produced the most negative tests as well I wonder?

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[Gameface]

Do we know if more tests are being administered as well? That in and if itself could produce more positive tests.
Last 4 says have been more people testing positive than any previous day. Have the last 4 days also produced the most negative tests as well I wonder?

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The word a few days ago was that testing was slightly down.

The Saturday number represented a nearly 15% (I think it was 14.6%) positive rate on tests. The rate was previously dropping and was near 4% positive rate. So these numbers represent a significantly higher positive rate per test.

 

[silesian]

Do you believe that Trump tells more falsehoods than the average person Joe?

Omg I hope so. If not humanity is one big ugly smelly pus infected stain.

 

[silesian]

well.... when the white nationalists are burning down your neighborhood, the fire does tend to be the more immediate attention grabber.

although I have heard and read about covid19 risks from many news sources. So this is both stupid and a lie.

not at all surprising.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Do you believe that Trump tells more falsehoods than the average person Joe?

I believe that the vast majority of what people on the left call Trump's lies are not lies at all. To me they are purposeful misinterpretations of his words reconfigured as lies. An example is Trump speculating about the possibility of cleaning blood. Anti-Trumpers immediately conflated that statement with telling Americans to inject or drink bleach. He never said that. Meanwhile they ignore what appear to be obvious lies by guys like Chris Cuomo, Peter Strozck, James Comey, James Clapper, AOC, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi. In the opinion of some people (you are apparently included in this group), if you hate Trump you are allowed to say whatever you want.