Thread for responding to lies spread by JazzyFresh

[One Brow]

Crazy how we now know Biden lied about not knowing his son used political gain for Burisma and not one of you sheep say a word.

The contents of that story have been debunked on multiple occasions. No one believes it except those who want re-elect trump under ay circumstances.

The even more crazy thing is that Twitter literally Communistically blacked out all post and talk of the bombshell NY Post article.

Yes, Twitter is starting to see that lies, spreading unchecked, is damaging, and that their user base wants this to stop. Why are you pro-lie?

You guys have become Communist and you don't even know it.

No one is impressed by you falsely characterizing people.

Hell twitter is usually your go to news source(we know you can't use self thought)

"Self thought" is not a news source. This confusion may explain some of the positions you take.

... Red fear mongered that 75,000,000 will get sick ...

Actually, the quoted article referred to the number infected, not the number sick. It's a number @infection (another conservative on this board) has supported indirectly.

Oh an wow, Surprising to see such bigoted hatred towards Dr. Jones ...

No one has expressed such hate.

Use your words commy. If I wanted to talk to a link I would.

Yes, you just stated how you prefer pseudo-information you make up to actual information.

Nowhere dies that stupid article provide an ounce of intelligence or proof that this is Russia.

Nor did Red say it was just Russia.

You hypocrites impeached Trump for less, literally over hearsay..

Trump was impeached for obstruction, which he did to the investigators directly. No hearsay needed.

You morons accused Trump of ******** on soldiers over anonymous sources(same as impeachment) but an actual email with actual wording is propaganda.

Yes. You don't seem to know how propaganda works.

An actual written note by John Brennan saying he informed Obama that Hillary was allegedly working up a plot to take down Trump is nothing.

Brennan informed Obama of unverified intelligence, that has since been discredited.

Lol yet you believe anonymous sources and say they should remain anonymous so people don't do exactly what your doing to this guy

Who's doing anything to him?

"Mac Isaac appeared nervous throughout. Several times, he said he was scared for his life and for the lives of those he loved. "

He should be. Look how people like red are already attacking him.

He's scared for his life because of criticism? He's very sensitive. He should probably have stayed anonymous.

the funny thing is people like red are not attacking whether or not the hard drive exists they are attacking the person.

Criticism is not an attack.

 

[babe]

Historically that has been somewhat accurate. But that's been one of the main frustrations of the Republican party. They are very upset when their appointments don't vote with their party.

That's been one of the main priorities is to train up judges that will do that and get them appointed. We are just barely seeing that come to fruition with the last two appointments. It's a major swing in things.

Possibly fair enough...... but let's not forget the fact that progressives have been going of the judicial strategy for getting change for decades already.

 

[babe]

This is like a Manifesto of the Ignorant.

Possibly, a good student of politics could start a catalogue of statements designed to deflect thought. Probably, this would fall into one of most pervasive category.

 

[babe]

Possibly, a good student of politics could start a catalogue of statements designed to deflect thought. Probably, this would fall into one of most pervasive category.

And then there is OBdurate eternal drubbing against anything perceived to be deserving it, for "The Cause".

Did anybody here read OB's thousand point critique just above.

OB failed to see the meaning of the use of "self-thoughtt" in JazzyFresh's taunt. Change.org minions daily repost the same talking point in hundreds of forums each and every day, without either leaning anything about the subject, or thinking about it.

JF is spot on mocking their capacity to be self-taught or do actual thinking as in "self-thought".

For the ten thousandth time JF has completely gone over the pointy little heads of the Saturate the Forums brigade.

 

[babe]

The contents of that story have been debunked on multiple occasions. No one believes it except those who want re-elect trump under ay circumstances.



Yes, Twitter is starting to see that lies, spreading unchecked, is damaging, and that their user base wants this to stop. Why are you pro-lie?



No one is impressed by you falsely characterizing people.



"Self thought" is not a news source. This confusion may explain some of the positions you take.



Actually, the quoted article referred to the number infected, not the number sick. It's a number @infection (another conservative on this board) has supported indirectly.



No one has expressed such hate.



Yes, you just stated how you prefer pseudo-information you make up to actual information.



Nor did Red say it was just Russia.



Trump was impeached for obstruction, which he did to the investigators directly. No hearsay needed.



Yes. You don't seem to know how propaganda works.



Brennan informed Obama of unverified intelligence, that has since been discredited.



Who's doing anything to him?



He's scared for his life because of criticism? He's very sensitive. He should probably have stayed anonymous.



Criticism is not an attack.

The only sensible kind of view of this is to just admit that Obama promised to transform America from a government with a remnant of decency to a Banana Fascist shop. And he did.

John Brennan while on duty in Germany and Russia was Putin's shadow. So we gave a post-Communist fascist dictator a real communist taskman to try to keep tabs on him. But perhaps it's a bit of an idiotic presumption to call Brennan a communist, or Obama or Hillary. The reality is, they are trained in a political method much used by Communists, so called.

Communism is a lie, a tool used to confuse the public and prevent actual public realization of the political facts of what is happening. Even Xi is not really a "Communist". Globalists and progressives attract a lot of idealists without the training of political manipulators, which provides "cover" for the agenda. A lot of nice people working for a reasonably better world.

Biden here is being protected by the "nice people" so-called who refuse to deal with the facts we have. People who also created a false narrative about Trump and ran a continual resistance against a President who won the election despite the determinized efforts to stop him. This is the palpable moment in history where the last vestiges of what once was a country like no other is subverted.

It took decades of public school brainwashing, determined news media bias and programmed "instruction", and the building of a federal bureaucracy trained to believe they are above the public as overlords who can and should rightly treat the public with contempt.

A vote for Biden is a vote for such "change" as the fascist leadership deems useful, change and change again, against what people would vote for if they knew or understood.

Participating in the denials or coverup of the facts is not a good, or justifiable, or decent undertaking, even in a sports fan forum.

This will come to a bad end for the perpetrators of this, in either of two possible ways. The first and most dangerous is that the "liberal" overlords themselves will turnj on one another when they have all the power and no other contenders in the ring. This is what happened in Russia under Lenin. And after that, the nextnatural phase is the "withering away of the State" not by a contented populace naturally doing the virtuous things, but from corrosive poverty, the failure of hope, and the breakdown of order within the system due to actually no moral forces remaining. This is the Putin dictatorship, the Venezuelan and Cuban demise of socialism.

The more fortuitous danger is that some freedom movement might begin to gain credible support, and the thugs and corrupt politicians and instigators might need to flee in the night.

 

[Beer]

The only sensible kind of view of this is to just admit that Obama promised to transform America from a government with a remnant of decency to a Banana Fascist shop. And he did.

John Brennan while on duty in Germany and Russia was Putin's shadow. So we gave a post-Communist fascist dictator a real communist taskman to try to keep tabs on him. But perhaps it's a bit of an idiotic presumption to call Brennan a communist, or Obama or Hillary. The reality is, they are trained in a political method much used by Communists, so called.

Communism is a lie, a tool used to confuse the public and prevent actual public realization of the political facts of what is happening. Even Xi is not really a "Communist". Globalists and progressives attract a lot of idealists without the training of political manipulators, which provides "cover" for the agenda. A lot of nice people working for a reasonably better world.

Biden here is being protected by the "nice people" so-called who refuse to deal with the facts we have. People who also created a false narrative about Trump and ran a continual resistance against a President who won the election despite the determinized efforts to stop him. This is the palpable moment in history where the last vestiges of what once was a country like no other is subverted.

It took decades of public school brainwashing, determined news media bias and programmed "instruction", and the building of a federal bureaucracy trained to believe they are above the public as overlords who can and should rightly treat the public with contempt.

A vote for Biden is a vote for such "change" as the fascist leadership deems useful, change and change again, against what people would vote for if they knew or understood.

Participating in the denials or coverup of the facts is not a good, or justifiable, or decent undertaking, even in a sports fan forum.

This will come to a bad end for the perpetrators of this, in either of two possible ways. The first and most dangerous is that the "liberal" overlords themselves will turnj on one another when they have all the power and no other contenders in the ring. This is what happened in Russia under Lenin. And after that, the nextnatural phase is the "withering away of the State" not by a contented populace naturally doing the virtuous things, but from corrosive poverty, the failure of hope, and the breakdown of order within the system due to actually no moral forces remaining. This is the Putin dictatorship, the Venezuelan and Cuban demise of socialism.

The more fortuitous danger is that some freedom movement might begin to gain credible support, and the thugs and corrupt politicians and instigators might need to flee in the night.

If you think Biden is even close to communist or facist you are too stupid and uninformed to even have this convo with. Him and Kamala are basically just republican lites. I dislike them both but they aren't even coming close to communist policies.

 

[NAOS]

@One Brow
What are you gonna do now that you have all this extra time on your hands?

 

[Getting Traded]

If you think Biden is even close to communist or facist you are too stupid and uninformed to even have this convo with. Him and Kamala are basically just republican lites. I dislike them both but they aren't even coming close to communist policies.

Babe calling John Brennan a communist is laughable.

 

[Red]

Red fear mongered that 75,000,000 will get sick and millions will die. Just echos of their Communist masters

The highest numbers of infections, and deaths, in the United States were predicted by the Imperial College study, which based those highest numbers on a model that assumed no mitigation, and no behavioral changes by individuals. This model, (and it’s accuracy can be debated, and has been) assumed 2.2 million American deaths, and 81% of the American population becoming infected.

The Imperial College study influenced Trump administration policy approaches to the coronavirus, and the Imperial College study looked at 3 models: doing nothing, i.e., no mitigation or changes in human behavior, mitigation, and suppression. Since the Imperial College Study impacted American policy, it was highly relevant to the Coronavirus thread on this forum and therefore posting it did not constitute fear mongering.

If it is not permitted to publish the most important study impacting Washington’s response to the coronavirus, in a thread discussing the coronavirus, then what is the point of having a coronavirus thread?

Your argument, Jazzyfresh, is similar to having a thread on cigarette smoking, a study is then published suggesting smoking causes cancer, and when that study is posted to the thread, you proclaim it inappropriate because it is fear mongering. That is the gist of your interpretation. You explain the logic, it escapes me. The study caused the administration coronavirus task force to emphasize the need for mitigation. You felt that the study, and resultant administration decision to emphasize mitigation, should not be posted to the Coronavirus thread, even though mitigation would save lives. Therefore, you wanted more Americans to die.

You have been consistently dishonest in your criticism of me for posting the Imperial College study in a thread where I would have been remiss in not posting it. So here is a summary again, with a link to the full study:

https://www.hpnonline.com/infection...f-us-population-cause-22-million-deaths-in-us

And, BTW,@JazzyFresh, you’re harping on communism is a regressive turning back the clock to the Red Scare of the 1950’s. For God’s sakes, @JazzyFresh, it’s 2020, the Red Scares in our nation’s history is pretty far in our past at this stage.

 

[LogGrad98]

The highest numbers of infections, and deaths, in the United States were predicted by the Imperial College study, which based those highest numbers on a model that assumed no mitigation, and no behavioral changes by individuals. This model, (and it’s accuracy can be debated, and has been) assumed 2.2 million American deaths, and 81% of the American population becoming infected.

The Imperial College study influenced Trump administration policy approaches to the coronavirus, and the Imperial College study looked at 3 models: doing nothing, i.e., no mitigation or changes in human behavior, mitigation, and suppression. Since the Imperial College Study impacted American policy, it was highly relevant to the Coronavirus thread on this forum and therefore posting it did not constitute fear mongering.

If it is not permitted to publish the most important study impacting Washington’s response to the coronavirus, in a thread discussing the coronavirus, then what is the point of having a coronavirus thread?

Your argument, Jazzyfresh, is similar to having a thread on cigarette smoking, a study is then published suggesting smoking causes cancer, and when that study is posted to the thread, you proclaim it inappropriate because it is fear mongering. That is the gist of your interpretation. You explain the logic, it escapes me. The study caused the administration coronavirus task force to emphasize the need for mitigation. You felt that the study, and resultant administration decision to emphasize mitigation, should not be posted to the Coronavirus thread, even though mitigation would save lives. Therefore, you wanted more Americans to die.

You have been consistently dishonest in your criticism of me for posting the Imperial College study in a thread where I would have been remiss in not posting it. So here is a summary again, with a link to the full study:

https://www.hpnonline.com/infection...f-us-population-cause-22-million-deaths-in-us

And, BTW,@JazzyFresh, you’re harping on communism is a regressive turning back the clock to the Red Scare of the 1950’s. For God’s sakes, @JazzyFresh, it’s 2020, the Red Scares in our nation’s history is pretty far in our past at this stage.

You just very clearly described the behavior of a troll. Which he is.

 

[One Brow]

@One Brow
What are you gonna do now that you have all this extra time on your hands?

Enjoy it, for a change.

 

[babe]

If you think Biden is even close to communist or facist you are too stupid and uninformed to even have this convo with. Him and Kamala are basically just republican lites. I dislike them both but they aren't even coming close to communist policies.

Babe calling John Brennan a communist is laughable.

some people find good reasons to laugh, but sometimes the reasons aren't very good.

Who the hell can really define Communism?

If we were having a bitter argument about who is "Christian" or not, there is at least theoretically a resolution to the argument. "Well, Jesus will decide who is "Christian" and who isn't."

But Marx and many other of the leading proponents of "Communism" are dead, and none of them had any hope of coming back to finish the work.

People who would even argue the case are referring to some set of ideas nominally associated somehow with one teacher or another of the subject. If there are still living proponents, they are sure to die just as hopelessly as any other, and it will be the privilege of the future "thinkers" to reinvent..... forget and imagine anew..... what the hell they want to call "Communism."

Perhaps you and Beer are somewhat more sincere in your beliefs than others.

John Brennan joined the CPUSA and voted for Communist candidates in the 70's. But what the hell. He got a great job and danced the dance for communist ideologue, self-styled though it was, Obama.

Pretty sure Brennan and Obama doubted the creds of Putin as a real Commie, maybe doubted Xi too. History is full of communists doubting the real convictions of other communists, and of one communist killing another on such issues.

A really extreme communist will call almost every real political experiment or professed communist government "State Capitalism". A sort of slur that means it didn't really amount to the ideals of the Utopia some want Communism to be.

 

[Beer]

If we were having a bitter argument about who is "Christian" or not, there is at least theoretically a resolution to the argument. "Well, Jesus will decide who is "Christian" and who isn't."

I don't know, but one thing I do know is Trump tricking the right into believing he is a devout christian and literally winning the presidency because of it is one of the greatest/stupidest political lies ever told and sold.

There is literally not one single thing in his actions and words in his previous 40 years that would lead one to believe he was a practicing christian let alone a staunch defender of Jesus Christ and his religions. Then all the sudden he realizes the only way he's going to win is if he get's americas Jesus believers on his side and he becomes an apostle. It's hilarious and mind blowing how many people believe this outrageous lie.

 

[babe]

I don't know, but one thing I do know is Trump tricking the right into believing he is a devout christian and literally winning the presidency because of it is one of the greatest/stupidest political lies ever told and sold.

There is literally not one single thing in his actions and words in his previous 40 years that would lead one to believe he was a practicing christian let alone a staunch defender of Jesus Christ and his religions. Then all the sudden he realizes the only way he's going to win is if he get's americas Jesus believers on his side and he becomes an apostle. It's hilarious and mind blowing how many people believe this outrageous lie.

I believe there have been wars with bloodshed, the loss of millions of human lives over the question of who is the "real Christian", The history of Islam could not be construed as anything better, with killing infidels and insufficiently correct believers literally the first response to any problem.

The "progressive" reinstitutionalization of "royalty" under the softer term of "expert" or the directed flow of cash for services has not really produced a better kind of human with better instincts for justice.

I still find the disbelievers' measures of true Christianity rather lacking.

I don't think Trump is an ideological person at all. Whatever his past actions have been, he has paid some kind of price, but it's pretty clear he's not gay, or trans, nor in any particular sense anything more or less than a normal, as with the range of familiar or common, alpha sort of male. He does have a wife who grew up outside of this country and under professed communist rule, and it's clear she loves the ideas of traditional American values such as human liberty, human rights, freedom..... the American Exceptionalism sort of array of ideas.

And it's clear Trump not only listens to her, but he listens to the crowds who have come out to his rallies.

There is little danger he can overthrow the statists inside his own executive branch of our government. The militarists of our "military-industrial complex" are split. The folks who just want endless wars are stultified by his failure to start some damn new war, but the folks who love to build weapons are still glowing over the contracts for production and development and research.

Trump may have stumbled out onto the stage, but his sails were filled by the millions of Americans who just damn hate the way we've been run.

This is, in my opinion, a growing thing. A Biden victory, even by an honest vote count, will not stop it's growth. It is the end of the Progressive Era, and the end of the old UN order.

Any politician who will get in front of this political trend will win big.

 

[Getting Traded]

I believe there have been wars with bloodshed, the loss of millions of human lives over the question of who is the "real Christian", The history of Islam could not be construed as anything better, with killing infidels and insufficiently correct believers literally the first response to any problem.

The "progressive" reinstitutionalization of "royalty" under the softer term of "expert" or the directed flow of cash for services has not really produced a better kind of human with better instincts for justice.

I still find the disbelievers' measures of true Christianity rather lacking.

I don't think Trump is an ideological person at all. Whatever his past actions have been, he has paid some kind of price, but it's pretty clear he's not gay, or trans, nor in any particular sense anything more or less than a normal, as with the range of familiar or common, alpha sort of male. He does have a wife who grew up outside of this country and under professed communist rule, and it's clear she loves the ideas of traditional American values such as human liberty, human rights, freedom..... the American Exceptionalism sort of array of ideas.

And it's clear Trump not only listens to her, but he listens to the crowds who have come out to his rallies.

There is little danger he can overthrow the statists inside his own executive branch of our government. The militarists of our "military-industrial complex" are split. The folks who just want endless wars are stultified by his failure to start some damn new war, but the folks who love to build weapons are still glowing over the contracts for production and development and research.

Trump may have stumbled out onto the stage, but his sails were filled by the millions of Americans who just damn hate the way we've been run.

This is, in my opinion, a growing thing. A Biden victory, even by an honest vote count, will not stop it's growth. It is the end of the Progressive Era, and the end of the old UN order.

Any politician who will get in front of this political trend will win big.

You really think he has a loving relationship with his wife? There has been talk that she is going to divorce him if he loses. Trump did gain support because people are fed up with the way things are run. But the way he is running things is even worse and antithetical to everything we stand for as Americans. Yes, things weren't going well before he became President. Trump, however, is of an authoritarian mind who only cares about self-glorification and has no compassion for the suffering of others. Power and celebrity is his only concern.

 

[Red]

It is the end of the Progressive Era, and the end of the old UN order.

Any politician who will get in front of this political trend will win big.

I believe what you are talking about is the triumph of nationalism over liberalism. We see this symbolically when Trump walks out on a stage, and physically embraces the American flag. We see this same nationalistic sentiment at every right wing protest, flags everywhere. We saw this same bs in the Vietnam Era, with the pro war slogan “America, love it or leave it”. Here a conservative commentator echoes your sentiment:

The Backlash Against the Liberal World Order

Global liberalism has overreached, and Trump and others are merely predictable reactions.

www.theamericanconservative.com

It seems to me a return to extreme nationalism is a failure to learn from history. Nationalism was a leading cause of both WWI and WWII. How the hell can we just forget that? The United States is not the only place where nationalism is ushering in illiberalism. Some people have not forgotten the lessons of history:

I Survived World War II. Nationalism Is a Path to War

"I saw leaders who only made matters worse"

time.com

Now, when the world needs to confront significant problems in a unified fashion, and yes, I am thinking of things like global warming, and I am not expecting an imminent ice age, as you are, the last thing the world should be doing is fragmenting and isolating with nationalistic fervor. I like my country. But I have no use for the secular religion we know as nationalism. It was the leading cause of two world wars. It’s fine at the Olyimpics. It’s not so fine in the hands of a leader who hugs the flag in fake and phony fervor, and whips people up. That style of nationalism appeals to the darker angels in all of us. It sucks. It kills. It starts wars. It isolates the world’s people just as the globe is actually shrinking in the 21st century, just when the people of the world need to recognize we live on one fragile planet, and are one species, and just when we dare not go backwards into the divisive emotion of uber nationalism.

 

[Red]

I believe what you are talking about is the triumph of nationalism over liberalism. We see this symbolically when Trump walks out on a stage, and physically embraces the American flag. We see this same nationalistic sentiment at every right wing protest, flags everywhere. We saw this same bs in the Vietnam Era, with the pro war slogan “America, love it or leave it”. Here a conservative commentator echoes your sentiment:

The Backlash Against the Liberal World Order

Global liberalism has overreached, and Trump and others are merely predictable reactions.

www.theamericanconservative.com

It seems to me a return to extreme nationalism is a failure to learn from history. Nationalism was a leading cause of both WWI and WWII. How the hell can we just forget that? The United States is not the only place where nationalism is ushering in illiberalism. Some people have not forgotten the lessons of history:

I Survived World War II. Nationalism Is a Path to War

"I saw leaders who only made matters worse"

time.com

Now, when the world needs to confront significant problems in a unified fashion, and yes, I am thinking of things like global warming, and I am not expecting an imminent ice age, as you are, the last thing the world should be doing is fragmenting and isolating with nationalistic fervor. I like my country. But I have no use for the secular religion we know as nationalism. It was the leading cause of two world wars. It’s fine at the Olyimpics. It’s not so fine in the hands of a leader who hugs the flag in fake and phony fervor, and whips people up. That style of nationalism appeals to the darker angels in all of us. It sucks. It kills. It starts wars. It isolates the world’s people just as the globe is actually shrinking in the 21st century, just when the people of the world need to recognize we live on one fragile planet, and are one species, and just when we dare not go backwards into the divisive emotion of uber nationalism.

Regressive. Stupid. Let’s march together, back in time, into the past. Insanity.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/as-the-world-marks-100-years-since-the-end-of-wwi-nationalism-is-on-the-rise-again/2018/11/08/11fae81e-deab-11e8-8bac-bfe01fcdc3a6_story.html

“Heads of state assert “Italy First,” “Hungary First” and “America First,” echoing language deployed by those who argued against U.S. involvement in the world wars and League of Nations.

And collective aversion to the term “nationalist” has begun to recede.

“You know, they have a word — it sort of became old-fashioned,” President Trump said at a rally last month. “It’s called a nationalist. And I say, really? We’re not supposed to use that word. You know what I am? I’m a nationalist, okay? I’m a nationalist. Nationalist. Nothing wrong. Use that word.”

 

[babe]

Red, of course the intellectuals supporting political power of the RINO/SINO/Globalist alignment have words, and definitions, of their own.

But you are ignoring the reality.

The world vision you and others see and work for as necessary and good just isn't either.

Trump, as has been said before, even by Obama, is not an ideologue. I don't rule out that he has character flaws or some unchristian views, or that he would not actually take power if he could. I don't think Americans in general would call that an improvement over Biden/Hillary/Obama/Bill/Carter/Johnson, or some damn stupid Bushes. Reagan was actually not only charming and personable, but he was much better educated than Trump. However, he held back a lot, I think because of HWB and the Rockefellers. Trump simply doesn't care to hold back from what he thinks is "American".

I believe his idea of "American" just matches most people in the USA, and it's not nationalist. The word most people associate with these values is "Freedom".

Freedom is not regressive.

Monarchy might be regresssive.

Feudalism is regressive.

Globalism is regressive.

Your ideals are very regressive. They do not build up the human values, but the corporate, even Fascist ideals of well-run governance. Those ideas line up against human freedom and human opportunity massively.

You imagine you will save the world from all kinds of boogeymen with it, but the boogeymen are not actually real.

We might go over the top on global warming, but the real solution is not any human plan to eliminate carbon dioxide. Other kinds of pollution are more concerning, but the CO2 will rebalance because the photosynthesis and carbonate depositions will remove all we can possible produce. The natural system will take care of it, and we will have ice ages again.

I think it is stupid to waste oil or anything. I don't think solar or wind are the kind of technology we should build up massively. Even nuclear fission is not unlimited. The real answer will be hydrogen fusion, maybe cold fusion of deuterium.

You should stop talking about things you just don't understand.

Science, even the the sixties, became institutionalized and nationalized, as in controlled by government. Internationalizing it made it worse. Paid stooge liars doing bum work, knowing their grants, their salaries will end if they don't walk the damn walk.

Our only chance to survive is breaking that indoctrination system and it takes people who will think twice and keep an open mind, and be willing to stand for better ways.

 

[gandalfe]

Wow. I didn't realize it was a 6 month ban.

 

[fishonjazz]

Wow. I didn't realize it was a 6 month ban.

It's been nice.
Maybe the best thing about 2020

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