Derek Chauvin Murder Trial

[babe]

As for complaints I need more context. Like if chauvin pulled me over for speeding and I was in fact speeding and he gave me the appropriate ticket and told me to have a good day could I still call and complain about him simply cause I was pissed that I got a ticket I deserved?

Is 1 complaint per year way more or way less than is typical for a police officer?
I don't know what a normal amount of complaints would be.
When citizens deal with cops it's usually not for something fun and awesome so maybe even good cops get lots of complaints. Idk.

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Wow. I've only read two posts in this thread since several days ago at least, both yours. Both good.

So the conservative talk shows have Hannity actually supportive of the sentencing, citing facts about time, bruising and the police chief statement that Chauvin was outside of policy in his actions. Hannity says police are inadequately trained citing his own martial arts skills. That kind of "restraint" is never necessary if you know some better methods.

Mark Levin is apoplectic about mobs publicly passing judgment on crimes, and threatening juries. These jurors were threatened.

"Democrat" whathisname the constitutional law guy was saying this is gonna be overturned on appeal. Dershowitz apparently didn't notice how the Supreme Court has at least bent over if not laid down prostrate lately. I don't think they have the spine to overturn it even if there were good reason.

My God, what Chauvin did was beyond all excuse. In his mind, he was teaching some other officers how to maintain control of violent deranged drug case. I've seen a few of those "in the movies" where the big man, not always black, has superhuman strength and just takes down cops and kills them. That is what Derek was trying to manage, in his point of view. But he got carried away with it and didn't appropriately reduce his pin when Floyd was really just in panic and no longer fighting. Derek just sat on him while he died.

However, Derek had not been trained properly, and did not understand the situation. More like he was doing an exhibition for his pupils, not observing the man under his knee. I saw that in the video..... he was actually looking around at others while he was doing this.

As ignorant as he was, he is actually the common sort of policeman, not particularly notable for extremes in his conduct.

I think he had no racist thoughts or intentions and the blame must be shared.

 

[Getting Traded]

Wow. I've only read two posts in this thread since several days ago at least, both yours. Both good.

So the conservative talk shows have Hannity actually supportive of the sentencing, citing facts about time, bruising and the police chief statement that Chauvin was outside of policy in his actions. Hannity says police are inadequately trained citing his own martial arts skills. That kind of "restraint" is never necessary if you know some better methods.

Mark Levin is apoplectic about mobs publicly passing judgment on crimes, and threatening juries. These jurors were threatened.

"Democrat" whathisname the constitutional law guy was saying this is gonna be overturned on appeal. Dershowitz apparently didn't notice how the Supreme Court has at least bent over if not laid down prostrate lately. I don't think they have the spine to overturn it even if there were good reason.

My God, what Chauvin did was beyond all excuse. In his mind, he was teaching some other officers how to maintain control of violent deranged drug case. I've seen a few of those "in the movies" where the big man, not always black, has superhuman strength and just takes down cops and kills them. That is what Derek was trying to manage, in his point of view. But he got carried away with it and didn't appropriately reduce his pin when Floyd was really just in panic and no longer fighting. Derek just sat on him while he died.

However, Derek had not been trained properly, and did not understand the situation. More like he was doing an exhibition for his pupils, not observing the man under his knee. I saw that in the video..... he was actually looking around at others while he was doing this.

As ignorant as he was, he is actually the common sort of policeman, not particularly notable for extremes in his conduct.

I think he had no racist thoughts or intentions and the blame must be shared.

LOL ... "violent deranged drug case" ... I guess you were taking some of those drugs that Joseph Smith took when he talked to God. I guess you didn't know that Chauvin had a run-in with Floyd in the past, which might've played a role in his heartless, cruel snuffing out of Floyd's life. Do you realize that even though Floyd was already dead as testified to by the EMT who arrived on the scene, that Chauvin was still pressing his knee down on Floyd's neck and that the EMT had to ask him to remove it? Babe, you are delusionary. I think you need to go for counseling.

 

[Beer]

George Floyd: Counterfeit $20 dollar bill
Philando Castile: Traffic stop
Eric Garner: Selling cigarettes
Ronell Foster: Riding a bike without a light
Michael Brown: Stealing cigars
Breona Taylor: Watching tv at home

Other than the bike yes cops should have been involved in all of those. They are crimes, that is what police are for. Breona Taylors situation is all convoluted and is not nearly as black and white as some make it out to be.

But yeah, cops should not to take things to level 10 unless there is someone in danger. Take all freaking day trying to get a situation taken care of safely. Don't rush to get physical.

 

[Beer]

New video angle of the Mahkia Bryant shooting from her neighbors security camera across the street. Certainly looks like she is reaching back to stab the girl she has pinned against the car in the stomach. No possible way the cop could have gotten to her before she stabbed her. I don't really see any other way that could have played out other than hoping she's not a great stabber and doesn't deliver a fatal stab.

 

[gandalfe]

Other than the bike yes cops should have been involved in all of those. They are crimes, that is what police are for. Breona Taylors situation is all convoluted and is not nearly as black and white as some make it out to be.

But yeah, cops should not to take things to level 10 unless there is someone in danger. Take all freaking day trying to get a situation taken care of safely. Don't rush to get physical.

But riding a bike without a light is also illegal. How are you exempting that?

 

[Gameface]

New video angle of the Mahkia Bryant shooting from her neighbors security camera across the street. Certainly looks like she is reaching back to stab the girl she has pinned against the car in the stomach. No possible way the cop could have gotten to her before she stabbed her. I don't really see any other way that could have played out other than hoping she's not a great stabber and does deliver a fatal stab.

I think some people are minimizing the severity of stab wounds. That is lethal force, period. People die from stab wounds just as easily as gunshot wounds.

 

[Beer]

I think some people are minimizing the severity of stab wounds. That is lethal force, period. People die from stab wounds just as easily as gunshot wounds.

Agree, she might as well have been holding a gun to the other girls head.

 

[Beer]

But riding a bike without a light is also illegal. How are you exempting that?

Sure, but I'm guessing 98% of the time cops don't harass someone for that.

 

[gandalfe]

Sure, but I'm guessing 98% of the time cops don't harass someone for that.

How often do cops harass someone for selling loose cigarettes?

 

[Avery]

Cops have to make split second decisions that are amongst the hardest an individual can make. You get no second chances or do-overs like a missed possession or a phone call to try and clear things up - it's cemented in time and you wear those scars forever.

People can't always be tased or shot in the legs - if someone is coming at me with a knife with intent, I'd want an officer to take them down.

And if I were ever approaching someone else with a knife, it would be in self-defense. If I saw police had arrived, I'd drop that knife in an instance and put my hands up knowing a civil discussion would defuse the situation.

I get Lebron's emotion and anger, but as a society, we need to get facts and answers first before throwing anyone into the proverbial fire. It's not fair to anyone when that happens and the genie ain't going back into the bottle easily.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Cops have to make split second decisions that are amongst the hardest an individual can make. You get no second chances or do-overs like a missed possession or a phone call to try and clear things up - it's cemented in time and you wear those scars forever.

People can't always be tased or shot in the legs - if someone is coming at me with a knife with intent, I'd want an officer to take them down.

And if I were ever approaching someone else with a knife, it would be in self-defense. If I saw police had arrived, I'd drop that knife in an instance and put my hands up knowing a civil discussion would defuse the situation.

I get Lebron's emotion and anger, but as a society, we need to get facts and answers first before throwing anyone into the proverbial fire. It's not fair to anyone when that happens and the genie ain't going back into the bottle easily.

I just wish we held our political leaders to the same standards we're trying to hold professional athletes.

Why put police in a position to escalate the situation and kill someone?

I get if someone is being threatened with a knife. To me, that case is probably justified.

But do we really need police escalating a situation with a lightless bike, minor traffic violation, or someone selling cigarettes? That can't be handled by someone else?

Why put them in a position to potentially execute someone in a split second? And when they kill someone, why isn't there an automatic independent review board to ensure the police weren't acting inappropriately? Letting the police investigate the police is like letting the fox guard the henhouse. This essentially gives the police a license to kill.

No other profession in our country operates like this.

 

[Jazz4ever]

I just wish we held our political leaders to the same standards we're trying to hold professional athletes.

Why put police in a position to escalate the situation and kill someone?

I get if someone is being threatened with a knife. To me, that case is probably justified.

But do we really need police escalating a situation with a lightless bike, minor traffic violation, or someone selling cigarettes? That can't be handled by someone else?

Why put them in a position to potentially execute someone in a split second? And when they kill someone, why isn't there an automatic independent review board to ensure the police weren't acting inappropriately? Letting the police investigate the police is like letting the fox guard the henhouse. This essentially gives the police a license to kill.

No other profession in our country operates like this.

Who would be on this "review board"? Who could fairly grade them without having done this incredibly difficult job?