Even I think that is WAY too much for DM.
Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones
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Even I think that is WAY too much for DM.
Coach Ellis
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I think you ask for the moon and then negotiate your way down from there.
Start by asking for 6 first round picks, 3 pick swaps, Obi, Barrett, Grimes and Quickley.
When the dust settles, they end up keeping Barrett and Quickley, but they give you 5 first round picks, two pick swaps, two second round picks, Toppin, Reddish, Grimes, and rights to Jokubaitis.
And they feel like they ended up winning the trade because they kept 2/4 players you initially asked for and they get their star player who WANTS to be there.
I agree with your point but there is a risk of asking for too much and completely turning off people you are negotiating against.
It is top 4 protected for the Pelicans. Also it is a 2025 pick so it has a decent chance to be a solid pick. Giannis will still be in his prime but maintaining a high level core around him by that season could be difficult. They are asset poor and Middleton and Jrue may not even be on the team by that season.
Those picks are protected in a way that works well for us. That Dallas pick likely conveys next year and I think it probably is in the 14-20 range in what should be a really deep draft. The pistons pick probably conveys in 25 which is good because you don't want too many picks too soon. There is a chance the 25 draft could be the double draft if the nba finally eliminates the college rule. It seems like 24 or 25 is likely when it happens. There is a chance we could be sitting on 5 or 6 1sts in that draft which would be crazy. The ideal situation to package picks and move up in a really deep draft.
I just hope that Ainge’s compass is pointed towards having the top possible selection from the Knicks every year. If that means that the Jazz get as few as two unprotected picks then I might be cool with that, but in every other year I want the swaps and compensation elsewise. I want 7 years of the best pick the Knicks have as a starting point.
I would use this 6 picks rhetoric to negotiate “down” to four unprotected and three swaps + Toppin, Quickley, and whatever matching salary of theirs. I honestly think that is more than fair for both sides even if I want more. But I would not take a “cent” less than owning the top-end of the Knicks’ draft for seven years. Not a crumb less.
I would use this 6 picks rhetoric to negotiate “down” to four unprotected and three swaps + Toppin, Quickley, and whatever matching salary of theirs. I honestly think that is more than fair for both sides even if I want more. But I would not take a “cent” less than owning the top-end of the Knicks’ draft for seven years. Not a crumb less.
23/25/27/29 pick swaps 24/26/28 unprotected 1sts plus 3 of the other 1sts they have would be cool too.
Same concept except we get 1 less unprotected 1st from them but adding 1/2 pick swaps we control all 7 possible years. Put it that we can swap Minnesota’s 1st with theirs next year if we want to.
Same concept except we get 1 less unprotected 1st from them but adding 1/2 pick swaps we control all 7 possible years. Put it that we can swap Minnesota’s 1st with theirs next year if we want to.
nateboz
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Would be fair to ask for the Dallas ‘23 as well. That is the year of all years I want as many picks as possible. Get enough of those and you might be able to trade into the late lottery (where there is usually a player that pops and in retrospect should’ve gone top-5).
Ranking of the picks:
Knicks picks
Mavericks pick
Bucks pick
Pistons pick
Wizards pick
If we can come out with 6 1sts with either 4 being the Knicks and the other two being the Mavericks and Bucks that would be ideal. If not then 3 being the Knicks in the scenario above and then they only keep the Wizards pick.
45 minutes until Grimes plays his last game as a Knick (or gets injured).
But more seriously: I know there's probably not a lot of summer-league viewers on this board. But how many of you take Ainge's reported Grimes interest seriously enough to prioritize watching the Knicks today over the Jazz? (I would.)
But more seriously: I know there's probably not a lot of summer-league viewers on this board. But how many of you take Ainge's reported Grimes interest seriously enough to prioritize watching the Knicks today over the Jazz? (I would.)
They are in for a rude awakening.
Donovan and CAA will start to put some pressure on the Knicks I think if something isn’t done soon. I would love to hear Leon Rose explain to them they don’t think he’s worth 6 or 7 1sts lol.
Obi Toppin - #8 pick in 2020
Immanuel Quickley - #25 pick in 2020
Quentin Grimes - #25 pick in 2021
Miles McBride - #36 pick in 2021
The deal is going to look similar to the Gobert deal except I think we get more picks back and better prospects. All of these guys have pretty decent draft capital invested in them. I would love to get 3 of them.
Immanuel Quickley - #25 pick in 2020
Quentin Grimes - #25 pick in 2021
Miles McBride - #36 pick in 2021
The deal is going to look similar to the Gobert deal except I think we get more picks back and better prospects. All of these guys have pretty decent draft capital invested in them. I would love to get 3 of them.
A year from now, after Leon Rose and his team have been fired, the Jazz can re-explore Mitchell's trade market. That will also give more teams a year to make moves to trade for him.
Or a year to blow their assets on Beal or Lillard. And Leon Rose not being with the Knicks would be a bad thing.
David Stern
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I just don’t get it, there’s no logic to that argument. It might be fun to hold him for a year and have an ASG representative in Utah - I could get behind delaying the tank for a year to make sure we maximize our guys value. You tell Donovan that we’ll trade him to a preferred destination when the time is right, and if he demands a trade he’s going to Sacramento. The Knicks regime could legitimately get fired for making this deal, there’s no risk of that happening in Utah. They might have the most picks of the potential suitors right now, but that can change VERY quickly.
I'm watching Quentin Grimes in Summer League play against the Blazers. I think he's a backup combo-guard. I don't think he's going to affect the Mitchell deal much one way or another. He's less established as a player than Beasley, Beverly or even Vanderbilt for Minnesota.
Thanks for taking one for the team (watching for those of us who cannot) and offering your thoughts.