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Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

Elizah Huge said:
I outlined it above. Essentially a Lowry/Strus package to Dallas while taking back Bertans salary and salary filler coming to us with their 2025 1st.

4 unprotected 1sts and 3 pick swaps + Herro + Jovic + Yurtseven is a realistic package they could come up with.
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The post I replied to seemingly said 5 firsts plus Herro.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Which is why we should take the best offer of the two (Knicks or Heat) and move forward.
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I disagree. If the Knicks or someone else wants to give a godfather offer to get him, then you make the deal. If they continue to not have or withhold valuable assets, you walk away.

Tell Donovan that we’re going to hang onto him for now, but we’re getting the young guys experience and rebuilding. We hope he’s with us on that, but we’ll keep an open mind to moving him if we get an offer that makes sense.

Bolmaro, Conley, JB (Beverley trade)
Mitchell, Beasley, NAW (JC trade)
Fonteccio, (sign Watanabe) (Bogdanovic trade)
Vanderbilt, Gay, (sign Cobaclo)
Kessler, Azibuke

Trade Bogey, JC and Beverley for some sort of value.

That team’s not going anywhere in the west - but Donovan probably puts up huge numbers on a bad/inexperienced team.
 
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Jingled said:
Tony Jones on with Checketts said he'd put the odds a deal gets done by training camp at 75/25. Says the Jazz really want Grimes and Toppin and the Knicks want to keep Grimes. The two sides still have a lot to hammer out.
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Tony also said the Knicks are willing to give 5 first round picks but they want 4 of them to be protected picks that will most likely land in the 20's.
 
NUMBERICA said:
If this is about actual players then this is ****ing stupid.
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It is and it isn't. If you know they are being stingy with picks you say you want the players because that is what they really want. You leak some stuff about Herro or other packages that are better than what the Knicks are offering... None of it has to be real.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The Jazz's best way to make New York reconsider their trade package:

  1. Tell NYK they are keeping Mitchell with the idea of a 1 year tank into a rebuild
  2. Draft Victor #1
  3. Trade Clarkson/Bogey/Gay all off the team to maximize assets and cap room for 2023
  4. Sign max free agents. Go out and overpay for Khris Middleton and Andrew Wiggins.
  5. Compete

Obviously a lot of **** has to go right for this to work, but it at least is something the Jazz can legitimately act like they are doing and NYK will have to respect it.
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I concur with this.
 
It will come out this week that Herro has a lot of fans in Jazz and other teams front offices... it will also come out that actually Toronto is solidly in the mix here... we don't have to tell them what the offers are. Can tell them we want it done in the next few weeks so we can give our attention to our other deals... so go ahead and send your best offer and we will make a decision. If its still not quite there tell them to sweeten it just a bit and you win.

Knicks can give up the farm to do this... but they can't make it look easy and that they got steam rolled.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
From Katz at the Athletic on the NY day to day GM:

Leon Rose is New York’s team president, but he doesn’t do most of the day-to-day trade calls. Most commonly, those are up to vice president of basketball and strategic planning Brock Aller, who oversees salary cap management. Every once in a while, someone else will take the reins, especially when another Knicks higher-up has a solid relationship with an executive in an opposing front office they’re trying to make a deal with.

Aller obsesses over marginal value, which should be refreshing for Knicks fans who remain traumatized from teams of the past needlessly tossing first-round picks into the fireplace. He wants to hold onto picks and acquire others. He notoriously squeezes teams just for the draft rights to an extra player, something that’s far more trivial to most others.

Buckle up... Ainge vs. Aller gonna be a fight.
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I was going to say "We can always trade them the rights to Ante Tomic"... but then I decided to check if we haven't traded those rights and ... shocking I tell you ... we traded it to the Knicks in 2020 :D
 
Elizah Huge said:
I outlined it above. Essentially a Lowry/Strus package to Dallas while taking back Bertans salary and salary filler coming to us with their 2025 1st.

4 unprotected 1sts and 3 pick swaps + Herro + Jovic + Yurtseven is a realistic package they could come up with.
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I do think this is plausible, at least. Likely? Probably not (I don't think Dallas is likely to go there, at least not before the season plays out a little bit).

But when you're comparing it to the desire for 6 picks from the Knicks (plus some usable players), it's still rather far short to me (I know we disagree about Herro's value to the Jazz).
 
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