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Jazz trade John collins

I guess the case for Giddey is twofold:

1. Big play makers who can survive on d are required to compete at the highest level.

2. You are assuming Giddey will shoot 50 percent from the field for the next 4 years.

Also open question who is Giddey the best at guarding? Is he automatically your worst defender on a good team?
 
CHI is not gonna let Giddey walk easily, that’s for sure. You’re probably going to have to give something up and give him the bag.
 
The Jazz can probably extract a first from the Mavs to absorb Klay's contract at the deadline and if they do, this is a pretty fantastic deal after thinking about it.

Gotta make sure to rip off their awful owners though.
 
Now that we’ve reached the end of the John Collins experiment: WOW! What a waste of time! We could’ve thrown the bag at Austin Reaves and either gotten him or smacked LA, but we did this and were rewarded with nothing in the net (we sent a 2nd to get him). I wish someone would’ve had the forethought on this and gone on and on about how dumb this whole thing was in like 30 posts.

The only thing that could’ve salvaged this is if we renegotiated and extended him on a cheap deal (and traded Lauri’s gaudy contract).

To be clear, though: yeah, this deal is fine. It’s another sobering one, but we’re finally doing it right three years later.
 
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Im not smart enough to know all the rules regarding S&T's, but I would give up Collier/Sensabaugh to make it work.
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Chicago is S tier stupid, we should be figuring out deals with them.

I’m not high on Giddey, though. Maybe they’d be excited about Cody for Buzelis lol
 
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While I’m disappointed in the final return, I’m glad to finally see the Jazz realize that it’s in their best interests to “lose the trade” to create a pathway for (potential) future success for players who need playing time.

Danny wasn’t (maybe fundamentally isn’t) capable of doing that. If he was, I think the Jazz might have just traded Bogdanovic, Clarkson and Conley for Westbrook and then waived/stretched him.

Regardless, I like the decisive direction he’s taking and the path forward. Still think he needs to move Lauri, but he should probably try to actually extract value for him. It’s not as pressing to trade him now that Clarkson, Sexton and Collins are all gone.

Definitely curious to see what happens with Nurkic, Love and Anderson. Not sure any are even on the roster after the deadline.
 
KqWIN said:
Just to add onto this, the NBA 10+ vet minimum is $3.6M. So if we assume buyouts for KLove and Anderson where they give back what they’d make on the min (standard practice), that’s an additional $7.2M in potential cap space.

So if we go for a Kuminga deal with outright cap space, it could start out at around $26M. This is an important number because it should push the Warriors past the first apron.

Other posts detail how they could absorb Love and Anderson into an exception and increase their TPE amount.
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Thanks for your work on this.
 
KqWIN said:
The only real problem I have with taking a flier on Kuminga is that he likely cut into the development of other players. If we don't to attempt to develop young players with some warts, we might as well give up on half our roster lol. We have a lot of young players who are not very good yet. We're in the business of turning lemons into lemonade. But I don't think we have room for JK with Ace in the building.

I like Grimes as a better target because he has proven to be able to scale down into a smaller role and be a contributor.
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Grimes can pass and reliably shoot a basketball which is more than you can say for Kuminga or Giddey. We desperately need anyone that does any kind of connective/facilitative ****.
 
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