Nope, I wouldn't do it.
I vote go for it... Worst case scenario is that Brand cannot play due to injury and the insurance company picks up his salary.
I vote go for it... Worst case scenario is that Brand cannot play due to injury and the insurance company picks up his salary.
i think a lot of people here are missing the point of this trade.
if the Jazz really want to remain a contender, then they have to spend the money to be a contender, and that means over the salary cap and probably right up to the luxury tax limit (at least). all the serious contenders spend up to and over the tax limit.
there are two ways to spend money over the salary cap:
1. re-sign your own guys to bigger bird-rights contracts
2. trade your own guys for other team's guys that have longer contracts
the jazz have already done #1 with: Memo and Millsap. Boozer and AK's deals are up soon. Boozer is probably going to leave and AK isn't worth half the money he is making. is there anyone left on the team that will have a contract up worth spending money on?
it seems to me that the Jazz need to go with #2. if they don't, and just let guys walk away, their ability to spend over the cap is going to evaporate.
so, who is available with a longer contract that would help the team? obviously, they're going to have to take on someone with issues (they probably won't have a Gasol fall into their lap like the Lakers did). Brand seems relatively low risk to me. sure, he has disappointed in Philly, but he hasn't been terrible. Philly wouldn't be so eager to dump him if they didn't have Speights waiting in the wings. Brand was plenty good in LA. maybe it just isn't working out in Philly but the Jazz could make it work. oh, and someone else already pointed out that Brand for 3 years is better than Boozer for 6.
and the #2 pick... that is some really good icing on the cake. so much so... is Philly really going to cough that up?
First, spending for the sake of spending doesn't get you anything.
Originally Posted by NUMBERICA
Hold up, how many times have the Jazz signed pivotal free agents since... ever?
I'll help, it was two and at the time and one wasn't supposed to become an elite PF. Now he'll be let go for nothing (whether they make this trade or not).
The question about financial flexibility with the Jazz starts and ends with keeping what they've already acquired. I promise you, no matter what, if Turner or Favors ends up living up to their hype the Jazz will not be able to land them in free agency, and it would be years after Deron is sick of waiting and peaces out.
Co-sign..... People that think the Jazz will ever sign a free agent that lived up to the hype in the first few picks in any draft make me scratch my head. It'll only happen through the draft....not even trade, as long as KOC is GM. The end.
I couldn't agree more...also, not allot of high quality free agents in the NBA want to live in Utah and/or play for Grandma Gail and Greggie.
could be true, but the real issue is that the Jazz aren't going to have any cap space to sign free agents any time soon anyway. The Deron, Memo, Millsap, and CJ contracts take care of that (plus any re-signings of: Matthews, Korver, AK, etc). so, complaining about KOC, Granmda Gail, Greggie, whoever... it is pointless.
lol! Forgive me for not applying economic terms in a discussion of the differences of two NBA draft picks.
mar·gin·al / ˈmärjənl/ • adj. of secondary or minor importance; not central: it seems likely to make only a marginal difference a marginal criminal element.
Dude, you totally owned Sirimsmarterthanyou.
Not really, he had to go digging to find that definition. If you google it (since he didn't provide a source) the number one hit you get is ... jazzfanz.com.
Looking in more reasonable places you find the more common definitions relate to things like "pertaining to a margin" or "situated on the border or the edge."
For example https://dictionary.reference.com/browse/marginal
It doesn't take a genius to read my original post and figure out I'm talking about, for example, the difference in quality between the second pick and the ninth pick or the difference in quality between AK and Elton Brand rather than saying there is very little difference in quality.
Damn, you're smart.
Okay, I now understand your point about going over the cap. I still think it is very easy to take this rationale too far, and certainly taking on Brand is flirting with that line. The over-the-cap-and-fine-with-it mentality comes with consequences.
As for this quote above, the only contract I have complained about is Memo's. DWill, Millsap, and CJ are all earning their keep. Memo was a mistake of massive proportions.
That's the only thing I've ever wanted to hear my whole life! How did you know?!
Not really, he had to go digging to find that definition. If you google it (since he didn't provide a source) the number one hit you get is ... jazzfanz.com.
Looking in more reasonable places you find the more common definitions relate to things like "pertaining to a margin" or "situated on the border or the edge."
For example https://dictionary.reference.com/browse/marginal
It doesn't take a genius to read my original post and figure out I'm talking about, for example, the difference in quality between the second pick and the ninth pick or the difference in quality between AK and Elton Brand rather than saying there is very little difference in quality.
could be true, but the real issue is that the Jazz aren't going to have any cap space to sign free agents any time soon anyway. The Deron, Memo, Millsap, and CJ contracts take care of that (plus any re-signings of: Matthews, Korver, AK, etc). so, complaining about KOC, Granmda Gail, Greggie, whoever... it is pointless.
I and many other sad and frustrated Jazz fans have been complaining about the team's inability to sign quality FA's for many many MANY years now...