That's a fair take, for realz. But I still shudder to think about how differently worse it could have been. We're just fantasizing anyway, right?
Should Mitt release his tax returns?
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That's a fair take, for realz. But I still shudder to think about how differently worse it could have been. We're just fantasizing anyway, right?
SaltyDawg
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Not sure what is so funny. Are you denying that obamacare was originally a republican plan? Or are you denying that most dems were pissed about it because they wanted single payer, or at the very least a public option?
jimmy eat jazz
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Well, we're not fantasizing about Bush. More like reliving the nightmare.
Who knows what Gore would have done, but I'm reasonably certain he would not have invaded Iraq and possibly not Afghanistan. Probably all the other stuff would have happened anyway.
At least I give Bush credit for taking action to intervene with TARP and bailing out the auto industry not succumbing to the brain-dead right wing ideology to let the economy crash (because, golly gee, the government shouldn't intervene in these sorts of things.)
For what it's worth, I find that to be a much more compelling argument than Salty's "millions of people will be disenfranchised" one.
SaltyDawg
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Those arguments are not arguing the same problem.
He is arguing why voter id does not need to be enacted, I am arguing why the existing voter id laws should be struck down (or at the very least tweaked).
Spoken like a scientist. We can't know if people will be disenfranchised until we have an actual disenfranchisment.
Speak for yourself.
I just meant that it is generally acceptable to me to question the overall value of Bush' term .. not Afghanistan specifically ..
jimmy eat jazz
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Yes unnecessary. Sorry.
By the way, I see that I made it off your ignore list. Glad to know that.
I can see that. I hope we can have some decent discussions, and in the least respect each other. I'm here to learn from you all,
and hopefully share some knowledge as well.
This is correct. The far left is still pushing for more gun laws, and Obama has been staying in the middle.
I know some want to paint Obama are a far left socialist, but overall that is far far from the truth.
Obama has been too much like Bush on a lot of things. He's done nothing for gun control.
Hopefully from here on out we have smaller, more cost effective missions aimed at taking out key targets. I know we are against assassinations, but
it's time to rethink that as well.
Amen to that.
this!
Apparently the new reason is that he doesn't want people to know how much he gives to the church.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...bffba6-ed5a-11e1-866f-60a00f604425_story.html
This is the genesis of my new pet theory. The reverse is true: he doesn't want the church to know how much he makes because they can figure out what his tithing SHOULD have been.
I bet a yanked temple recommend during election season would suck for ol' Willard.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...bffba6-ed5a-11e1-866f-60a00f604425_story.html
This is the genesis of my new pet theory. The reverse is true: he doesn't want the church to know how much he makes because they can figure out what his tithing SHOULD have been.
I bet a yanked temple recommend during election season would suck for ol' Willard.
Apparently the new reason is that he doesn't want people to know how much he gives to the church.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...bffba6-ed5a-11e1-866f-60a00f604425_story.html
This is the genesis of my new pet theory. The reverse is true: he doesn't want the church to know how much he makes because they can figure out what his tithing SHOULD have been.
That's pretty hilarious.
93-Year-Old Tennessee Woman Who Cleaned State Capitol For 30 Years Denied Voter ID
By Marie Diamond
Tennessee's Capitol building in Nashville.
A 93-year-old Tennessee woman who cleaned the state Capitol for 30 years, including the governor’s office, says she won’t be able to vote for the first time in decades after being told this week that her old state ID failed to meet new voter ID regulations.
Thelma Mitchell was even accused of being an undocumented immigrant because she couldn’t produce a birth certificate:
Mitchell, who was delivered by a midwife in Alabama in 1918, has never had a birth certificate. But when she told that to a drivers’ license clerk, he suggested she might be an illegal immigrant.
Thelma Mitchell told WSMV-TV that she went to a state drivers’ license center last week after being told that her old state ID from her cleaning job would not meet new regulations for voter identification.
A spokesman for the House Republican Caucus insisted that Mitchell was given bad information and should’ve been allowed to vote, even with an expired state ID. But even if that’s the case, her ordeal illustrates the inevitable disenfranchisements that result when confusing voting laws enable state officials to apply the law inconsistently.
The incident is the just latest in a series of reports of senior citizens being denied their constitutional right to vote under restrictive new voter ID laws pushed by Republican governors and legislatures. These laws are a transparent attempt to target Democrat constituencies who are less likely to have photo ID’s, and disproportionately affect seniors, college students, the poor and minorities.
As ThinkProgress reported, one 96-year-old Tennessee woman was denied a voter ID because she didn’t have her marriage license. Another senior citizen in Tennessee, 91-year-old Virginia Lasater, couldn’t get the ID she needed to vote because she wasn’t able to stand in a long line at the DMV. A Tennessee agency even told a 86-year-old World War II veteran that he had to pay an unconstitutional poll tax if he wanted to obtain an ID.
By Marie Diamond
Tennessee's Capitol building in Nashville.
A 93-year-old Tennessee woman who cleaned the state Capitol for 30 years, including the governor’s office, says she won’t be able to vote for the first time in decades after being told this week that her old state ID failed to meet new voter ID regulations.
Thelma Mitchell was even accused of being an undocumented immigrant because she couldn’t produce a birth certificate:
Mitchell, who was delivered by a midwife in Alabama in 1918, has never had a birth certificate. But when she told that to a drivers’ license clerk, he suggested she might be an illegal immigrant.
Thelma Mitchell told WSMV-TV that she went to a state drivers’ license center last week after being told that her old state ID from her cleaning job would not meet new regulations for voter identification.
A spokesman for the House Republican Caucus insisted that Mitchell was given bad information and should’ve been allowed to vote, even with an expired state ID. But even if that’s the case, her ordeal illustrates the inevitable disenfranchisements that result when confusing voting laws enable state officials to apply the law inconsistently.
The incident is the just latest in a series of reports of senior citizens being denied their constitutional right to vote under restrictive new voter ID laws pushed by Republican governors and legislatures. These laws are a transparent attempt to target Democrat constituencies who are less likely to have photo ID’s, and disproportionately affect seniors, college students, the poor and minorities.
As ThinkProgress reported, one 96-year-old Tennessee woman was denied a voter ID because she didn’t have her marriage license. Another senior citizen in Tennessee, 91-year-old Virginia Lasater, couldn’t get the ID she needed to vote because she wasn’t able to stand in a long line at the DMV. A Tennessee agency even told a 86-year-old World War II veteran that he had to pay an unconstitutional poll tax if he wanted to obtain an ID.