Are you guys completely cool with your kids dating/marrying someone of a different race?

[Stoked]

My understanding of PKM is that he would be very uncomfortable with one of kids dating a Muslim of European descent. HOwever, that doesn't mean Cyrone Torbin is wrong.

So if you acknowledge that PKM, having a problem with Muslims in this scenario, is including non middle easterners in his definition than it is not racism by definition. The common denominator here is not the race but the religion. Racism does not equal hating a religion. By definition.

 

[One Brow]

Funny how those, aside from some guy taking a shot at religion, talk about hate, distrust or some form of prejudice as being misogony. How does putting a woman on a pedistal equate to hate, prejudice or distrust?

What happens when you want to leave that pedestal?

 

[Hartsock]

There are (I don'[t have the exact number) at least 2 movies/TV shows/books/etc. with a male protagonist to every one with a female, and male writers outnumber female similarly. It's one result of the male experience being normative. Women can't avoid seeing our experience.

If women want more tv shows maybe they should work on being more funny or more interesting. Not everything is a plot to keep women down.

 

[Stoked]

There are (I don'[t have the exact number) at least 2 movies/TV shows/books/etc. with a male protagonist to every one with a female, and male writers outnumber female similarly. It's one result of the male experience being normative. Women can't avoid seeing our experience.

Nor can we avoid the persective of a woman. The exposure is so great on both sides that the difference in numbers becomes irrelevant. It is not like people deal with a woman 2-3 times a day versus 600 times a day with men. That still does not mean that men and women truly understand the perpective gained from being a member of the opposite sex.

 

[Stoked]

What happens when you want to leave that pedestal?

Than they leave it.

 

[One Brow]

OneBrow, out of curiosity, do you consider chivalry a form of misogyny? Opening doors for women? After all, they could certainly open the door themselves.

For that matter, women can and have opened doors for me. I also can and have opened doors for men, and vice-versa. So, polite acts don't need to be sexist. However, being polite does not in and of itself make them non-sexist. If you open doors for women, but consider it rude or effeminate (as that would be a bad thing) to have doors opened for you, that would be sexism.

I watch my daughter's dates when they pick them up and if they don't open the car door for my girls, it's definitely a check against them before they even leave the driveway.

When girls come to pick up a son (or a neighbor's son), it is a check against them if they don't open the door? Do lack-of-door-opening-checks get lodged at boys or at drivers?

 

[One Brow]

Than they leave it.

If you think women don't suffer consequences for leaving the pedestal, I honestly don't know what to tell you, except do some research.

 

[One Brow]

With the recent changes in age I think there will be dramatic increase in female missionaries.

That might lead to some positive change.

 

[One Brow]

I don't know about the numbers but there is no reward for male missionaries that females do not realize.

Thank you for clarifying that. I will revise my understanding.

 

[One Brow]

I see where you are going with this and I disagree (surprising I know). Mormons, as are many other religions, are a men lead culture. There are positions that women cannot hold, such as a Bishop. This has not and will not lead to hatred.

It is prejudice and a sign of mistrust. It does not automatically lead to hatred, but it provides fuel for it.

 

[One Brow]

If women want more tv shows maybe they should work on being more funny or more interesting. Not everything is a plot to keep women down.

It completely escapes you that men are considered more funny and interesting, culturally, by dint of being men, than women saying the same things in the same way? Yes, this has been studied.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Wow, argument by dictionary, and then without even a link to your dictionary?
Next time you want to argue by dictionary, you should probably look at more than one dictionary, and consider how the implications of the examples provided. Or don't.

The definitions even you posted use the words hatred, prejudice and dislike.
as silesian said

misogyny is literally hatred of women (from Greek misein to hate + gynē woman)

You have your perspective, and are trying to push it and say it is truth. Go ahead, you are entitled to it, but it is your own opinion.

I can say for a fact that there is no hatred of women from the LDS religion, veiled or unveiled, and I strongly believe there is not a hatred of women in other religions as well.
You may try to portray it that way, but your opinion is based only on your point of view which from what I can tell is very limited when it comes to the LDS Church/culture/religion.

It is my opinion that you see any perceived inequality between men and women as a form of hatred towards them. I don't see it that way at all.
I see it as us playing different roles, and while we may do many things together or the same, there are things we each can do that help us work as a team.

To put this in a basketball perspective, I see it as you saying Corbin hates Al Jefferson because it's not fair that he doesn't get a fair shake at running the point, or playing the 2 or 3. That is not hatred towards Al, that is just smart not to put him in those positions. Is this a perfect comparison... no, but it serves my purpose.

I have come to a tentative conclusion, based on the evidence I have so far described. As I said, if you have additional evidence, I will consider it.

Not buying it, it sounds nice, but I have never seen any evidence of you considering anything presented to you. I have only seen you fight to the bitter end whatever point you want to champion.

Also, it's rude to use quotation marks for indirect quotes.

I got the quote wrong. Go ahead and find it rude, I don't care. (now that was rude) The point still stands.

Why would I want to see that?

You tell me, you are the one seeing what you see, and saying what you say.

 

[One Brow]

It is not like people deal with a woman 2-3 times a day versus 600 times a day with men. That still does not mean that men and women truly understand the perpective gained from being a member of the opposite sex.

I did 't refer to "deal with" a person. I'm talking about our cultural narratives, the stories that we use to define who we are; stories for the most part written by men, starring men, edited by men, marketed by men, etc.

 

[Stoked]

If you think women don't suffer consequences for leaving the pedestal, I honestly don't know what to tell you, except do some research.

Do some women? Sure. However some do not. It is very much a case by case scenario. However you used the word inevitable. By that word usage every male member of the Mormon church is a mysogonist. Are there some? Of course. Are they all? Obviously no. So it is not inevitable.

As for your do some research comment. If that "research" leads me to the same misguided, illogical conclussions you have on certain issues than no thank you.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

It is prejudice and a sign of mistrust. It does not automatically lead to hatred, but it provides fuel for it.

You see what you want to see, real or imagined.

 

[Stoked]

It is prejudice and a sign of mistrust. It does not automatically lead to hatred, but it provides fuel for it.

So it is no longer inevitable. Good to know. Also no it is not a sign of mistrust. Sweet Jesus. If it was mistrust would they be allowed to give talks during religious services, lead groups in prayer, teach gospel lessons, be placed in positions of authority over the youth of the church in many cases? No they would not.

 

[Scat]

When girls come to pick up a son (or a neighbor's son), it is a check against them if they don't open the door? Do lack-of-door-opening-checks get lodged at boys or at drivers?

Just boys picking up my daughters. Call me old fashioned. Call me a misogynist. Call me sexist. I believe in treating a lady like a lady. That includes opening doors for them, carrying the groceries in, pulling a chair out for them, standing up when they excuse themselves from the table, never hitting a woman no matter what, etc. I think society could use a lot more chivalry and less PC ******** which is what you are peddling here.

 

[Stoked]

I did 't refer to "deal with" a person. I'm talking about our cultural narratives, the stories that we use to define who we are; stories for the most part written by men, starring men, edited by men, marketed by men, etc.

So? My point is valid wether you want to accept it or not. The exposure is so great that the numbers difference becomes irrelevant. Being exposed to 1 billion narratives of women v. 2 billion (using your 2 to 1 metric) narratives of men is a saturation so great that it doesn't matter who had more. Speaking from the standpoint of gaining an understanding of the opposite sex.

 

[colton]

So you use an example of there being cultural differences between women and men as proof that there is hatred towards women.

Bingo!

I'm hoping the explanation is that he's using the term "misogyny" to mean something other than hatred. I.e., maybe that word doesn't mean what he thinks it means. ;-)

 

[Revolution 9]

If my daughter doesn't bring home Dutch or Franklin then I'll consider it a success.