2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

[infection]

That's a lot of money but at least he is healthy now and not injury prone at all... oh wait

I'm out on Love. I think the narrative surrounding him is that LBJ hurt his production... I think he was good, but the 25/12 Love is gone and that the Minny Kevin Love was a little bit of inflated stats on mediocre teams. Cleveland Kevin Love is still really good. I just think his biggest value is as a stretch big and we can get that cheaper elsewhere. He does more (good offensive rebounder and passer) but I don't think you can throw him the ball and have him get a bucket. His defense isn't great... it isn't Kanter levels of terrible though either.

If the choices were Love for expirings or Marvin and a pick for expirings... give me Marvin. Not sure either trade is available.

Gallo or Niko > Love.

I think Love is the easiest to get from the other end, but our hesitance would make that less likely than the others. Then again, why did Cleveland even sign him to that extension?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

They will exit the road-trip 20-21 then win 11 of the next 14 games before February 7th. So they will have a record of 31-24 at the deadline.

I think we will do just enough to give DL enough pause in anything big. I think we do nothing (or something super small) at the deadline and I'm just not super comfortable putting all our eggs in the FA basket. There are lesser FA below the Harris/Middleton tier that could be great but that group could be boom or bust on the contract value. Those types can end up looking like Ryan Anderson contracts if you overpay for guys that are just good. Niko kinda terrifies me.

My biggest fear is that we do nothing... strike out in FA and run it back with Favs and Ricky on one year deals.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Gallo or Niko > Love.

I think Love is the easiest to get from the other end, but our hesitance would make that less likely than the others. Then again, why did Cleveland even sign him to that extension?

They dumb AF that's why.

Niko on a 4/80 type deal is preferable to what Love is on. Gallo's deal is fantastic as it allows us another bite at the apple in 2020. Julius Randle is another guy that is intriguing to me and I could see him being in a 15ish M tier that could present some serious value if his shot continued to trend the right direction. He's a bad defender, but I'm not sure he's a lot worse than Niko or Love... and he can create and punish teams for going small. I don't think he's a good stats on bad teams guy. He's been super efficient.

Like all fans I'm impatient... but I think change has to come if we are to realize the best version of this team. DL is really patient... for better or worse.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Gallo or Niko > Love.

I think Love is the easiest to get from the other end, but our hesitance would make that less likely than the others. Then again, why did Cleveland even sign him to that extension?

Depending on the contract Niko gets. I think I'd rather have Love if Niko is over 18 million a year.

 

[fishonjazz]

Though I know you're not saying those deals will get done, you don't think there are deals more likely than Love? Is it possible for this franchise to take a glimpse at Love's contract and have any desire at all to move for him?

$24M this year at age 30.
$29M next year at age 31.
$31M 2020-2021 at age 32.
$31M 2021-2022 at age 33.
$29M 2022-2023 at age 34.

No ****ing way I trade for him.

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[fishonjazz]

They will exit the road-trip 20-21 then win 11 of the next 14 games before February 7th. So they will have a record of 31-24 at the deadline.

I think that is about the same record I had the jazz at when the all start break comes around.

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[stormkoopacv03]

There's no way Kevin Love can help us, he's always injured and is on decline each year. I'd rather keep Favors than trading for it.

 

[fishonjazz]

I think that is about the same record I had the jazz at when the all start break comes around.

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Just checked.
I had the jazz at 32-25. Cy has us at 31-24.
Something doesn't add up but we are definitely on the same page winning percentage wise (close enough anyway)

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think that is about the same record I had the jazz at when the all start break comes around.

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Nah, they were 30-28 last year at the deadline.

Oh, nvm, I thought you said last year.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

This season is different than last... our conference had 4 teams openly tanking and the Laker who aren't good. This year there is one team kinda tanking... and 14 good teams. We need to win the games against the garbage teams and can't have an injury or let down. I don't see the run we had last year happening, we might not need that big of a run but this year's climb will be harder than last year's imo. This year's team seems less consistent which worries me... think we are a little more susceptible to having a bad performance in a must win scenario.

 

[LoPo]

This season is different than last... our conference had 4 teams openly tanking and the Laker who aren't good. This year there is one team kinda tanking... and 14 good teams. We need to win the games against the garbage teams and can't have an injury or let down. I don't see the run we had last year happening, we might not need that big of a run but this year's climb will be harder than last year's imo. This year's team seems less consistent which worries me... think we are a little more susceptible to having a bad performance in a must win scenario.

I agree. To just assume we are going to go on another magical run is pretty foolish. Despite pretty much zero injuries, we have been completely played out of the gym on numerous occasions.

And regardless of if we go on a positive run and get 5 or 6 games over .500, does that mean we have to stay put? Do we really think this team is a contender or should we make at least a couple minor moves to improve the team?

 

[Sandman822]

I agree. To just assume we are going to go on another magical run is pretty foolish. Despite pretty much zero injuries, we have been completely played out of the gym on numerous occasions.

And regardless of if we go on a positive run and get 5 or 6 games over .500, does that mean we have to stay put? Do we really think this team is a contender or should we make at least a couple minor moves to improve the team?

No one is really assuming, it's making educated guesses based off the remaining schedule before ASB. The Jazz are going to get to play 12 of their last 16 games at home before ASB, with a lot of them coming against inferior opponents. The Jazz should absolutely be able to take care of business against those teams.

Also I don't think this team as constructed is a championship contending team unless there's dramatic improvement across the board starting with Mitchell post ASB, but a couple of minor moves isn't going to change that either. If the trade deadline is cold on sellers I'd rather just let the team have another crack as constructed and then use draft night/the offseason to make some major moves with all the cap space we'll have, and really think about trying to contend for the following season with a hopefully improved Mitchell, a potential upgrade somewhere on the roster, etc.