CHINA vs the NBA.

Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by yamers, Oct 6, 2019.

  1. Saint Cy of JFC

    Saint Cy of JFC Well-Known Member

    81,960
    9,256
    393
    May 27, 2010
    Can someone explain to me or link me to an explanation of Hong Kong and China.
     
  2. colton

    colton All Around Nice Guy Staff Member

    12,830
    3,172
    268
    May 25, 2010
  3. colton

    colton All Around Nice Guy Staff Member

    12,830
    3,172
    268
    May 25, 2010
    Daryl Morey, GM of the Rockets, tweeted something in favor of the Hong Kong democracy protests. China immediately announced it was pulling the plug on all things Rockets related. NBA forced Morey to recant, and issued a statement in support of China. Disgraceful.
     
    NUMBERICA and Ostertag>Duncan like this.
  4. hgb

    hgb Well-Known Member Contributor

    646
    341
    113
    May 26, 2010
    UK had a lease on Hong Kong for 99 years from 1898, then as part of that deal returned it to China in 1997. There was, however, a deal that says that Hong Kong would remain capitalist, and without significant interference from the Chinese legal system (probably with some exceptions, and also lots of other agreements) for 50 years. The people of Hong Kong are now seeing this agreement threatened, and they protest. China considers all foreign interference with any domestic issue as a pretty serious insult, so they go mad if other countries act up.
    (I'm from Norway, the Nobel peace prize was awarded to a Chinese dissident some years back, they were pissed as hell for years and years.)
     
  5. candrew

    candrew Well-Known Member

    7,733
    2,421
    263
    May 29, 2010
    To us maybe. Tencent Holdings, which is at least partially, if not fully, owned and operated by the Chinese Government is going to lose money in this as well.

    So they put enforcing authoritarianism over profit while we put profit over paying merely lip service to freedom.

    Unsettling if you think about it.
     
    NUMBERICA likes this.
  6. Gameface

    Gameface I actually REALLY like Gobert! Contributor 2018 Award Winner

    25,600
    7,887
    428
    May 25, 2010
    So you see, there's this stuff called opium...
     
    Ostertag>Duncan and Zombie like this.
  7. yamers

    yamers Well-Known Member

    10,640
    1,819
    228
    Mar 24, 2012
    NIKE china store removed all rockets related items.
     
  8. checkbookdoc

    checkbookdoc Well-Known Member

    555
    424
    98
    Feb 28, 2017
    I am disappointed that Locke deleted his twitter comments. He must have deleted them because of 1) pressure from the Jazz, and 2) concern about being blacklisted from other podcasts/media. In other words, he was worried about money. I don't blame Locke, he has a family to take care of and a job he loves. It does sour me on his past (and any future) political/social takes, although he does seem to try and avoid them for the most part.

    I wish the Jazz would just come out and say, we support human rights everywhere and for that reason stand with the HK protestors. It might piss off DM (I think he is the only player with much to lose due to the shoe contract), but it would endear them to lots of other people. Also, if the Jazz are serious about fighting the reputation of being racist, why not be the first (and maybe only) team to take the obvious stance that 80% of NBA fans agree with?
     
  9. Jazzmix

    Jazzmix Well-Known Member

    447
    478
    68
    Aug 15, 2019
    Chinese people are lucky, they won't have to watch Harden.
     
  10. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

    14,070
    11,141
    428
    May 27, 2010
    I don't fault anyone for trying to avoid controversy and stay out of issues and simply take care of their family, but those who have been very vocal politically over the past number of years, acting like they're making such a huge sacrifice to speak up, now have the opportunity to, literally, put their money where their mouth is, and so far they're silent. What will be ballsy is when they return back to 'courageously' tweeting about American politics, as if they really have something to lose by doing so, and doing that in light of the elephant in the room.
     
    colton and NUMBERICA like this.
  11. aussietin

    aussietin Well-Known Member

    565
    69
    78
    Feb 19, 2013
    Basically, Hong Kong was British colony returned to China in 1997. During the time as a colony, Hong Kong operated under British law. When it came time to be returned to China, HKers obviously didn't want to just become part of China. So a deal was made operate under a 'one country, two systems' method going forward. Hong Kong has a mini constitution that details the powers the rights people enjoy under Hong Kong, and the degree of interference China can have with Hong Kong. So our current system has separation of powers (administrative, judicial, and legislative branches), unlike China. Chinese national laws do not apply to us because we have our own legal system. We also have our own government (which answers to China), and no censorship on the internet etc.

    Within the mini constitution, there is a provision that says things would remain relatively unchanged for 50 years (until 2047). However, a lot of Hong Kong people believe that China is starting to exert more and more power on Hong Kong, in breach of the promise made prior to the handover.

    The current fiasco comes from a now-withdrawn extradition bill that would have meant China can extradite people from, despite no extradition treaty being made with them. People were afraid of China claiming people committed crimes then extraditing them to the lawless and corrupt China, so over 1 million people took the streets multiple times to protest (total population of HK around 7+ million). The dumbass leader of Hong Kong (called the Chief Executive) refused to withdraw the bill for a long *** time, and made people really pissed off, and this ended up bringing up a lot more deep rooted anger people had against the government, leading to today.

    Source: me, from Hong Kong
     
    Jazz Spazz, Ellipse, colton and 6 others like this.
  12. checkbookdoc

    checkbookdoc Well-Known Member

    555
    424
    98
    Feb 28, 2017
    Doesn't HK vote for the Chief Executive but only those approved by China can run? If this is correct, was this always the rule or did it change at some point?
     
  13. checkbookdoc

    checkbookdoc Well-Known Member

    555
    424
    98
    Feb 28, 2017
  14. Archie Moses

    Archie Moses Well-Known Member

    13,365
    3,540
    268
    May 25, 2010
    Is it me or is it weird the NBA is distancing themselves from being political? I mean, isn't what's going on in Hong Kong wrong?


    Gotta make dat money doe.
     
  15. Archie Moses

    Archie Moses Well-Known Member

    13,365
    3,540
    268
    May 25, 2010
  16. aussietin

    aussietin Well-Known Member

    565
    69
    78
    Feb 19, 2013
    no, thats something that was proposed, but was voted down at the legislative council because its a bs attempt to look like democracy when its not at all.

    right now, i think its called the election council (?) that consists of like 1200 people, with representatives from different industries vote for the chief executive.
     
    checkbookdoc likes this.
  17. Archie Moses

    Archie Moses Well-Known Member

    13,365
    3,540
    268
    May 25, 2010
    We should start a #utahjazzstandswithhongkong tag on Twitter and see if we can get it going.
     
    fishonjazz and colton like this.
  18. Jazzmix

    Jazzmix Well-Known Member

    447
    478
    68
    Aug 15, 2019
    It's not only NBA. FIFA, Olympics comitee and the others maintain always that sport should not be mixed with politics, that it's above it, should get people together etc. It's very noble point of view which allows you to sell your product everywhere.
     
    fishonjazz likes this.
  19. checkbookdoc

    checkbookdoc Well-Known Member

    555
    424
    98
    Feb 28, 2017
    I personally would rather sports and politics be separate, so maybe this will be a good step in that direction.

    There has been a vibe over the last few years that a lot of players/executives/media members that were critical of Michael Jordan not being more politically active (republicans buy sneakers too). I wonder if they feel differently now.
     
    jom2003 likes this.
  20. Wes Mantooth

    Wes Mantooth Well-Known Member

    21,855
    6,028
    373
    Jul 14, 2015
    That was my point.
     

Share This Page