CHINA vs the NBA.

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  1. jom2003

    jom2003 Well-Known Member

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    I stand for non violent protest and peaceful negotiations in Hong Kong. But unfortuantely this is no longer the case. If we truly care about human rights, the last thing we should do is to stir up and escalate the situations. People from both parties are getting hurt over there.
     
  2. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    I think if you like speaking out (when it’s convenient) and you go back into the woodwork at a time like this, then “shut up and dribble” has now become relevant. Or “shut up and comment about people who dribble.” I think I’m more miffed at the non-players (the executives and the media), as it’s long been conventional wisdom to stay away from controversy and politics. The last few years that conventional wisdom has disappeared as everyone says it’s no longer a political differences issue but a human decency issue. All now all those brave hearts are MIA. I don’t ever want to hear their opinion again.
     
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  3. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    I don’t know enough about any of this to have a good opinion. I just find it hilarious how two faced the NBA is. Somewhere David stern is laughing... it’s really easy for Silver to boot out the unlikable and racist Donald sterling... taking a stand that shrinks the business of the NBA... “hey we support free speech”. Should have said we are anti-cancer or pro-puppies... support the troops is also a crowd pleaser.
     
  4. jom2003

    jom2003 Well-Known Member

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    This is what's ugly about politics. Now Silver basically has to choose between two bottles of poison
     
  5. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    Courageous when the Venn diagram of courage overlaps with revenue.
     
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  6. AlaskanAssassin

    AlaskanAssassin Well-Known Member

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    I'm surprised at some of the responses to this. First off, does Daryl Morey have any idea what he's talking about? Do any of us? Just because you watch CNN doesn't mean you truly grasp what is actually happening over there, or the thousands of years of history in Asia that most of us don't know a thing about. I was in Beijing a few months ago. Most people there just look at Hong Kong as another province of China, with only a few modified rules. How would our Federal Government react if Texas started rioting in order to branch off and become it's own country? Would most of us, or the government, be okay with letting them go?

    A lot of people's only response is.........."let them have democracy!" Do people realize that democracy as a form of government has it's own set of problems and issues? I'm not suggesting I want to live under a communist government, but don't act like pure democracy is a perfect solution. Even our founding fathers were wise enough to establish a constitutional republic.

    I'm aware China has issues and a history of violating human rights. So does the United States. Their government has brought hundreds of millions out of poverty in the past few decades and by and large the citizens of the country are happy with their government (the exception being protesters in HK). I would imagine they have higher government approval ratings than the US does. I certainly don't want to live there, but at the same time think we need to scale back our criticism and focus on fixing our own government before we tell others how to run theirs.
     
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  7. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    This is like the Country version of the cancel culture. Kinda terrifying that a tweet or comment can have this much power.
     
  8. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    Also... if we force this miser, racist to sell we can get another mega billionaire in a huge market that will spend all teh monies!
     
  9. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    Just a couple things:

    1. I'd believe in a right to secede.
    2. While I agree with you that you can't go forcing democracy in places where we're simply imposing our western culture on people who do not value it, the missing piece here is that this is Hong Kong. What they're fighting for is their ability to continue having what they have and what they value.
    3. You are right that we all know very little about this. We all know very little about many things, yet our public speaks up (right or wrong) and pat ourselves on the back for doing so. If Morey isn't allowed that same opportunity, it's not really the "free speech" we value, but rather the selective ability to engage in "free speech."
     
  10. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    For sure. I’m guessing Morey is in Silvers **** list forever now... they gonna get one of those random audits every year.
     
  11. Douchebag K

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    I was making the point that your point was thus. K
     
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  12. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    Waiting for Nike to come out and make their stand. Even if it means sacrificing everything.
     
  13. checkbookdoc

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    I don't really need much info to know who I support when the topics are free speech, free press, government censorship of information, and due process.
    I don't approve of the way some of the protests are being carried out, but that doesn't negate which side of the fight I support.
     
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  15. checkbookdoc

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    As someone else pointed out, what they believe in as a corporation is making money, and they are willing to sacrifice everything for it.
     
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  16. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    I don't really care what they do. It's just nauseating to sit through all the praise they get for things like this that just generate them more revenue when they DGAF at all about whatever it is, but everyone takes it with open arms as if they're not a part of the club.

    It's like going to a hotel and them saying they won't change your sheets or wash your towels unless you request because they care about the environment. No, they're just using everyone's feel goods to make more money, and make you feel better about getting less. This scenario is like that but on massive steroids. And meth.
     
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  17. Hekate

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    A high schooler getting shot in the chest is just politics, right?
     
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    It isn't just about the money. There are several fronts of the "justice" army that have sympathies with China as a hedge against American hedgeomony. They view China as greener, more responsive to their people and smarter in policy.

    It's crap of course, but it dovetails in with their views about the United States, so they swallow it whole.
     
  19. aussietin

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    I think freedom is still generally ok, the biggest problem is lack of accountability. police brutality isn't punished, whereas protestors are getting arrested for wearing face masks now (new law that came out 2 days ago). Also, another big issue is that feeling that you have no forum to voice any issues you have with society/government. the chief executive doesn't even seem to care that the riots are happening, and seems content to just scapegoat the police force as public enemy #1. plus she hasn't done anything to remotely try and decrease the violence, only condemn the people to do it.

    the difference between the lack of democracy in British rule and now is that they're trying to make a mockery of democracy. we can 'elect' our legislative council (congress equivalent), but half the seats are voted in by industries, which represent like 1% of the population. we were told we could have democratic elections for the chief executive, but only have nominees selected by China. it would be much better if there were no promise of democracy in the first place, but giving a mockery of it pisses me off.
     
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  20. aussietin

    aussietin Well-Known Member

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    my official stance is that although i support democracy, i can't condone violence.

    but on the other hand, there's literally no way for people to voice out their issues and enact change. violence was never the first option, but it certainly feels as though all other avenues have been exhausted. would you suggest people just give up on democracy forever?
     
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