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Uh, this is exactly what’s happening.

Cases are only plateauing overall because New York and NJ have dropped significantly while others who’ve opened continue to rise.

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Do we have a summary on all states that opened and what their average rates are? If we're appealing to a national plateau in cases being misleading while other places are rising, why has the death rate continued to fall and not plateaued, as well? How are we accounting for increase in testing?
 
Do we have a summary on all states that opened and what their average rates are? If we're appealing to a national plateau in cases being misleading while other places are rising, why has the death rate continued to fall and not plateaued? How are we accounting for increase in testing?

No idea about the first. So far as the second, my understanding, at least based on what I heard about AZ last week, is that more testing is being done but the positive test results are actually coming back at a greater rate. I assume deaths are going down because of the oft-rumored weather. IDK. But this could be setting up to be a perfect storm of a ******** in the fall imo. We’re all slowly re-opening...deaths and hospitalizations are going down...people will feel more and more comfortable and socialize more and more over the next 3-5 months, and then the fall and winter come. And then bam! Numbers, hospitalizations and deaths could soar. Sort of scary to think about.
 
Tl;dr COVID is like the Conley trade. We didn't know exactly what we were getting, but could prognosticate he's a pretty good player and that his floor would even be a good player. But he came out with anomaly after anomaly. When his performance didn't match at all what was promised, it was easy to fall back on the idea that there's no way that continues, that he bounces back. But the further we went along, the less that actually happened. And the more the eyeball test didn't show what we thought, the more many dig in to find advanced stats to say "see, he's playing good." And, of course, you get the occasional game or stretch where people come out of the woodwork to try to call people to repentance.
 
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No idea about the first. So far as the second, my understanding, at least based on what I heard about AZ last week, is that more testing is being done but the positive test results are actually coming back at a greater rate. I assume deaths are going down because of the oft-rumored weather. IDK. But this could be setting up to be a perfect storm of a ******** in the fall imo. We’re all slowly re-opening...deaths and hospitalizations are going down...people will feel more and more comfortable and socialize more and more over the next 3-5 months, and then the fall and winter come. And then bam! Numbers, hospitalizations and deaths could soar. Sort of scary to think about.
I've got you covered. Here's my post from over two months ago:

For about a month, I’ve been meaning to post my view on this but haven’t gotten around to doing so because it requires adding a lot of context. The tl;dr form of this is that my suspicion is that our debate regarding how and when to open up is going to get us through the next 6-8 weeks. We’ll endlessly debate what effect this is having on infection rates and ultimately my suspicion is that these stay relatively unchanged, if not continue to decrease. If there’s a bump, I don’t see this being something massive, and there are a whole host of reasons that I’ll have to elaborate on later, but I’ll have to settle for just laying out the bare bones with that. We will debate what we’re seeing. If rates don’t spike, we will favor more palatable narratives of how we’ve opened up slower, people are being more cautious, and how we’re still not testing sufficiently (I’m not saying any of these are untrue, just stating what how we’ll be qualifying what we’re seeing). Ultimately, we’re going to arrive in August/September and a different narrative will really heat up: the summer suppression of the virus. Currently, this is an argument castigated as ignorant and wishful (but is and will change). This will become more accepted because the argument will be highlighted as more nuanced: that it wasn’t the summer and the heat killing the virus (as all those ignorant rubes believed), but because the summer facilitated social gathering in ways that were more consistent with social distancing — that people congregated more outside and away from each other. This will allow a few things to come out. One is that it will reinforce the idea of social distancing helping curtail the virus, rather than ‘magic’ or anything implemented by the administration, but it will also reassure and provide a level of vindication for the initial doomsday models of millions dead. After all, those represent one side of the simplistic dichotomy of ‘science and facts’ vs. ‘ignorance and greed,’ and how palatable is vindication that the original models weren’t wrong, just mistimed? Our discussion will shift to the fact that COVID started at the very end of winter, and we had massive casualties. True, it did not reach the millions projected (‘because we acted’), but the summer has provided false hope for all those who deny science, and they’ve prematurely spiked the football in their ignorance and arrogance, but now [end of summer] we’re headed into a full winter where the death toll will be like nothing we’ve ever seen. Lots of talk of “we’re ****ed” and “we have no idea what’s about to hit us.”

That’s the tl;dr. I’ll have to actually clarify most of this, but not now. Maybe this weekend. I’m not saying there isn’t a lot of truth in some of this, but this narrative is and will be coalescing over the coming months.

Give it a couple months before everyone is in a panic regarding going into the fall. There will be a complete 180 on the 'summer suppression of the virus' theory, but it will have to be rationalized anew. Currently the summer suppression model plays to "hey, this will get better." But currently we're only in "**** this is going to get worse" mode, so when the summer suppression model inverts itself (meaning when we're then headed into winter and summer suppression now means "**** this is going to get worse"), people are going to be eating that idea up. But it will be repackaged with 'nuance' so that people feel like they rejected it previously for 'totally different' reasons (even though those reasons had always been around, people just chose to ignore them by rejecting the more ignorant assertions).
 
Tl;dr COVID is like the Conley trade. We didn't know exactly what we were getting, but could prognosticate he's a pretty good player and that his floor would even be a good player. But he came out with anomaly after anomaly. When his performance didn't match at all what was promised, it was easy to fall back on the idea that there's no way that continues, that he bounces back. But the further we went along, the less that actually happened. And the more the eyeball test didn't show what we thought, the more many dig in to find advanced stats to say "see, he's playing good." And, of course, you get the occasional game or stretch where people come out of the woodwork to try to call people to repentance.

The question is can we move Covid for a pick and some Ebola? Maybe we can swap Covid and a first for a few season of whooping cough.
 
Do we have a summary on all states that opened and what their average rates are? If we're appealing to a national plateau in cases being misleading while other places are rising, why has the death rate continued to fall and not plateaued, as well?

A couple of states with the the rise in cases are, quite possibly purely by coincidence, seeing huge spikes in pneumonia this year over previous years (Florida comes to mind) without these cases being classified as covid19.

Also, wasn't there a huge rush to get proper machinery 6-8 weeks ago? If that machinery was collected and distributed, wouldn't the number of deaths go down with proper treatment? I have heard there has also been clarifications on various treatment methods (how/when to use the ventilator, etc.).

Of course, as the actual medical professional, your opinion, [should you ever choose to stop trying to play Socrates on a message board--which generally works poorly, as the Socratic method requires a degree of non-verbal communication] would be superior to mine.
 
No idea about the first. So far as the second, my understanding, at least based on what I heard about AZ last week, is that more testing is being done but the positive test results are actually coming back at a greater rate. I assume deaths are going down because of the oft-rumored weather. IDK. But this could be setting up to be a perfect storm of a ******** in the fall imo. We’re all slowly re-opening...deaths and hospitalizations are going down...people will feel more and more comfortable and socialize more and more over the next 3-5 months, and then the fall and winter come. And then bam! Numbers, hospitalizations and deaths could soar. Sort of scary to think about.

Utah just had its second highest day in record 496, has seen its positivity rate double 4 percent to 9 percent, and its ICU capacity increase from 42 percent to 58 percent in just 3 weeks.

Around Memorial Day a “bad” day was 200 new cases. In fact, we had only seen 200 or more cases 5 times prior to Memorial Day. Since Memorial Day, we’ve seen 300+ new cases in 12/17 days.

from personal experience, I’ve seen mask wearing go from 75 percent of people wearing them at stores to 25 percent. Parks were previously closed and now they’re open and no one is social distancing. Dinning in is now an option at restaurants, churches are permitted to have face to face services, and movie theaters are open. Lastly, schools were closed and school sponsored sports were forbidden. Now? They’re completely allowed and operating as normal. Every day we have super spreader events at schools where hundreds of students, coaches, and parents meet for workouts and tournaments. I believe Snow College is Having a tournament where hundreds even thousands will be on campus:

https://snowbadgers.com/sports/2013/2/4/FB_0204135213.aspx?path=football

With businesses returning to normal and sports, it’s not hard to know where this is going. We’re taking the Arizona and Texas approach rather than the new Zealand or South Korea approach.
 
Certain states were always going to have various peaks and valleys and that's nothing new.

What I find irritating is country after country have seen their overall numbers actually go down as their citizens and government have been working collaboratively to limit spread. In the states, our citizens and government are so politically divided that we can't effectively get out of the hump. It just prolongs the misery.

We would absolutely be in a better state had Trump been the example and worn a mask and instructed others to. We'd still have the virus around, but I have no doubt it would be a downward trend vs. reality.
 
A couple of states with the the rise in cases are, quite possibly purely by coincidence, seeing huge spikes in pneumonia this year over previous years (Florida comes to mind) without these cases being classified as covid19.

Also, wasn't there a huge rush to get proper machinery 6-8 weeks ago? If that machinery was collected and distributed, wouldn't the number of deaths go down with proper treatment? I have heard there has also been clarifications on various treatment methods (how/when to use the ventilator, etc.).

Of course, as the actual medical professional, your opinion, [should you ever choose to stop trying to play Socrates on a message board--which generally works poorly, as the Socratic method requires a degree of non-verbal communication] would be superior to mine.

I believe florida has been caught many times cooking the data to appease their Trumpy governor and undercount cases

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/12/rebekah-jones-florida-coronavirus/
 
Utah just had its second highest day in record 496, has seen its positivity rate double 4 percent to 9 percent, and its ICU capacity increase from 42 percent to 58 percent in just 3 weeks.

Around Memorial Day a “bad” day was 200 new cases. In fact, we had only seen 200 or more cases 5 times prior to Memorial Day. Since Memorial Day, we’ve seen 300+ new cases in 12/17 days.

from personal experience, I’ve seen mask wearing go from 75 percent of people wearing them at stores to 25 percent. Parks were previously closed and now they’re open and no one is social distancing. Dinning in is now an option at restaurants, churches are permitted to have face to face services, and movie theaters are open. Lastly, schools were closed and school sponsored sports were forbidden. Now? They’re completely allowed and operating as normal. Every day we have super spreader events at schools where hundreds of students, coaches, and parents meet for workouts and tournaments. I believe Snow College is Having a tournament where hundreds even thousands will be on campus:

https://snowbadgers.com/sports/2013/2/4/FB_0204135213.aspx?path=football

With businesses returning to normal and sports, it’s not hard to know where this is going. We’re taking the Arizona and Texas approach rather than the new Zealand or South Korea approach.

Just about over 50%? Lets all Fugazi ourselves now!?!?!? Sorry, old, sick, unhealthy, humans are supposed to die when things to go 100% correctly for them. "Life's a bitch and then you die" - Nas. The fact that cases are rising at x rate but hospitalizations are only rising at y rate show's a logical person that this was lack of data, knowledge, and fear mongering. If you are sick, fat, old, take care of your self. Not my god damn problem.
 
Certain states were always going to have various peaks and valleys and that's nothing new.

What I find irritating is country after country have seen their overall numbers actually go down as their citizens and government have been working collaboratively to limit spread. In the states, our citizens and government are so politically divided that we can't effectively get out of the hump. It just prolongs the misery.

We would absolutely be in a better state had Trump been the example and worn a mask and instructed others to. We'd still have the virus around, but I have no doubt it would be a downward trend vs. reality.

The mixed messaging, like the "don't wear a mask" to "everyone should wear a mask all the time" stuff, has been frustrating. At this point I think most people should go about their lives with reasonable pre-cautions. Wear masks in stores... avoid larger crowds... etc.

The other thing I'm tired of is all the people on social media talking about if you don't do this or that then you are murdering old people. You know who else is murdering old people... old people! When I go out I see a ton of old people... no masks... couples... in non-essential places. My wife's parents are among the worst... those were the ones I was most concerned with protecting.

I think as a country you were going to have 2-4 weeks of fairly strict compliance before fatigue set in... the messages and preparations in those weeks didn't get us far enough along. So we will limp forward with the current plateau and politicians will only care about the data that supports whatever side they are on... Our country is dumb and we are lead by morons... some have Rs by their names some have Ds but most of them gives zero ***** about truth or the people they serve.
 
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