Coronavirus

[Deleted member 365]

The mixed messaging, like the "don't wear a mask" to "everyone should wear a mask all the time" stuff, has been frustrating. At this point I think most people should go about their lives with reasonable pre-cautions. Wear masks in stores... avoid larger crowds... etc.

The other thing I'm tired of is all the people on social media talking about if you don't do this or that then you are murdering old people. You know who else is murdering old people... old people! When I go out I see a ton of old people... no masks... couples... in non-essential places. My wife's parents are among the worst... those were the ones I was most concerned with protecting.

I think as a country you were going to have 2-4 weeks of fairly strict compliance before fatigue set in... the messages and preparations in those weeks didn't get us far enough along. So we will limp forward with the current plateau and politicians will only care about the data that supports whatever side they are on... Our country is dumb and we are lead by morons... some have Rs by their names some have Ds but most of them gives zero ***** about truth or the people they serve.

That's a pretty cynical outlook. Most Democrats and many Republicans have sided with science and have let the health professionals lead the way. Govs DeWine and Hogan have been remarkably consistent with their messaging.

While I think we have some pretty immature federal (Trump) and state/city leaders (Kemp/DeSantis/Abbot/Ducey/DeBlasio), I don't necessarily think we're "incapable" of beating this virus. Far more countries are doing a better job of beating it than we are. That gives me hope that we just need to look at what they’re doing right. Do you think Canadians, Italians, Germans, or South Koreans have longer attention spans than we do or something?

If we need to improve our health care structure, then let's do it. What's stopping the House and Senate from enacting universal health care right now?
If we need to shut down the entire country for 3 weeks and provide paychecks to many in the population, let's do it. Canada provides its citizens with $2,000 dollars per month to not work. Why can't we?
If our federal government needs a change, then let's do it. Our leaders aren't called by god to rule forever.

I just don't understand why we're so defeatist these days. We would've never defeated Japan or gone to the moon with the cynical and defeatist attitude I see so often these days. Nihilism is so strong when civic participation is needed.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

That's a pretty cynical outlook. Most Democrats and many Republicans have sided with science and have let the health professionals lead the way. Govs DeWine and Hogan have been remarkably consistent with their messaging.

While I think we have some pretty immature federal (Trump) and state/city leaders (Kemp/DeSantis/Abbot/Ducey/DeBlasio), I don't necessarily think we're "incapable" of beating this virus. Far more countries are doing a better job of beating it than we are. Do you think Canadians, Italians, Germans, or South Koreans have longer attention spans than we do or something?

If we need to improve our health care structure, then let's do it. What's stopping the House and Senate from enacting universal health care right now?
If we need to shut down the entire country for 3 weeks and provide paychecks to many in the population, let's do it. Canada provides its citizens with $2,000 dollars per month to not work. Why can't we?
If our federal government needs a change, then let's do it. Our leaders aren't called by god to rule forever.

I just don't understand why we're so defeatist these days. We would've never defeated Japan or gone to the moon with the cynical and defeatist attitude I see so often these days. Nihilism is so strong when civic participation is needed.

Its not the attentions span per se... its the idea that we are quarantining and social distancing without much progress and without a goal. You can't ask people to shut down... without some sort of timeline before people will get restless. If you want people to shelter in place, wear masks, shut down everything that is non-essential... then you better have definitive instructions and a timeline. I think people can deal with really tight restrictions if there is a light at the end of the tunnel...

I'm cool wearing a mask... I'm cool with shutting down areas where there are large crowds... I'm cool washing my hands... I'm cool working from home... for a while. I'm just tired of people shaming others that are going back to work after months of this... or condemning politicians that are allowing things to open up. When I go to the store I see a ton of people in the "at risk" group out... they aren't protecting themselves. Don't shame others, with less at stake, for living their lives.

I'm just saying you have Newsome out here saying 25M Californians will get the virus in the next 8 weeks... others saying its nbd and its a really bad flu. Its the fact that our governments aren't being intelligent and every story is over-politicized. And so it isn't that I'm defeated, but I am saying "**** it... I'll be reasonable, but I'm not going to be militant".

 

[Deleted member 365]

Its not the attentions span per se... its the idea that we are quarantining and social distancing without much progress and without a goal. You can't ask people to shut down... without some sort of timeline before people will get restless. If you want people to shelter in place, wear masks, shut down everything that is non-essential... then you better have definitive instructions and a timeline. I think people can deal with really tight restrictions if there is a light at the end of the tunnel...

I'm cool wearing a mask... I'm cool with shutting down areas where there are large crowds... I'm cool washing my hands... I'm cool working from home... for a while. I'm just tired of people shaming others that are going back to work after months of this... or condemning politicians that are allowing things to open up. When I go to the store I see a ton of people in the "at risk" group out... they aren't protecting themselves. Don't shame others, with less at stake, for living their lives.

I'm just saying you have Newsome out here saying 25M Californians will get the virus in the next 8 weeks... others saying its nbd and its a really bad flu. Its the fact that our governments aren't being intelligent and every story is over-politicized. And so it isn't that I'm defeated, but I am saying "**** it... I'll be reasonable, but I'm not going to be militant".

Thanks for the response.

just curious, have you written to any of your state reps this? Have you written to your governor? Have you written to anyone in Congress?

I think it’s hard for our leaders to know what people want and need if they’re not hearing from us.

in the past Two month I’ve called and emailed my congressional reps and senators 3 times. Yet, I haven’t contacted my governor yet I bitch about him almost everyday. Probably should contact herbert and tell him that I believe we should go back to orange, get rid of in house dining (they’ve even gotten rid of curbside lately), shut down high school sports, and Mandate masks. Otherwise, utah is going to start seeing 1,000 new cases daily.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Thanks for the response.

just curious, have you written to any of your state reps this? Have you written to your governor? Have you written to anyone in Congress?

I think it’s hard for our leaders to know what people want and need if they’re not hearing from us.

in the past Two month I’ve called and emailed my congressional reps and senators 3 times. Yet, I haven’t contacted my governor yet I bitch about him almost everyday. Probably should contact herbert and tell him that I believe we should go back to orange, get rid of in house dining (they’ve even gotten rid of curbside lately), shut down high school sports, and Mandate masks. Otherwise, utah is going to start seeing 1,000 new cases daily.

No... I am yelling at clouds mostly.

I just think its funny that Gov. Newsome says we will have 25M cases in 8 weeks and when we are well under 200k cases after 12 weeks he feels a need to make Californians wear masks indoors. I would think we already won based on his numbers compared to actual.

I was militant for weeks with distancing... we flattened the curve... I will wear a mask, wash, etc. because I view it like a safety belt in the car... easy to do and seems like it will prevent some unnecessary pain. I feel like we are being asked to not drive the car... and if you do then you are an old people killer who has no soul... Meanwhile every grandma and grandpa are still out there on the road.

 

[Deleted member 365]

No... I am yelling at clouds mostly.

I just think its funny that Gov. Newsome says we will have 25M cases in 8 weeks and when we are well under 200k cases after 12 weeks he feels a need to make Californians wear masks indoors. I would think we already won based on his numbers compared to actual.

I was militant for weeks with distancing... we flattened the curve... I will wear a mask, wash, etc. because I view it like a safety belt in the car... easy to do and seems like it will prevent some unnecessary pain. I feel like we are being asked to not drive the car... and if you do then you are an old people killer who has no soul... Meanwhile every grandma and grandpa are still out there on the road.

good post. I see what you mean.

 

[Avery]

I had given Herbert high marks for their early response, but revisiting those grades.

I'm actually fine moving small counties to green with little to no cases, but we moved to yellow way too quick here in the valley. By the same accord, way too many citizens who just don't care anymore by not wearing masks or social distancing.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Highest day for utah, 586 new cases

https://www.ksl.com/article/4676710...vid-19-as-9-counties-move-to-green-risk-level

we’ll be hitting 600-800 new cases daily next week. And unless things change, 1,000 new cases per day in July. #MAGA

 

[Deleted member 365]

Nice #MAGA

 

[Beer]

Highest day for utah, 586 new cases

https://www.ksl.com/article/4676710...vid-19-as-9-counties-move-to-green-risk-level

we’ll be hitting 600-800 new cases daily next week. And unless things change, 1,000 new cases per day in July. #MAGA

Not seeing current hospitalizations of those new cases? Was 155 yesterday, which is not an issue at all.

 

[Avery]

Highest day for utah, 586 new cases

https://www.ksl.com/article/4676710...vid-19-as-9-counties-move-to-green-risk-level

we’ll be hitting 600-800 new cases daily next week. And unless things change, 1,000 new cases per day in July. #MAGA

Strolled out to Harmons today and purposefully counted masks vs. non masks. Was 6 masks to 26 non-masks.

Drove home and saw crammed splash pads, team sports, people closely dining, etc. Social distancing is effectively done-zo here.

It's just irritating. I hate wearing masks, but do it to protect myself and others. Hate not going to places to eat, but do so to protect myself and others. Problem is that people are effectively over it.

What's worrisome to me is that the positive % metric is a leading indicator of an outbreak. That number has effectively doubled recently.

 

[infection]

Not seeing current hospitalizations of those new cases? Was 155 yesterday, which is not an issue at all.

I work for a hospital with ~400 beds. 11 COVID patients as of yesterday.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Strolled out to Harmons today and purposefully counted masks vs. non masks. Was 6 masks to 26 non-masks.

Drove home and saw crammed splash pads, team sports, people closely dining, etc. Social distancing is effectively done-zo here.

It's just irritating. I hate wearing masks, but do it to protect myself and others. Hate not going to places to eat, but do so to protect myself and others. Problem is that people are effectively over it.

What's worrisome to me is that the positive % metric is a leading indicator of an outbreak. That number has effectively doubled recently.

Agreed. What’s really obnoxious is that these people will whine about how they’re tired of social distancing and using masks. Yet, their attitude and actions only prolong it.

Don’t like masks and social distancing? Who does? So let’s do it now (short term sacrifice) for a long term gain.