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Bucknutz said:
You’re an educator, educate me. If you feel Im stupid and I shouldn’t vote or be a parent because I’m showing there are 2 plausible origins. How about you teach to me, without a doubt where Covid origins came from.

Is this how you treat your students? Someone who does a research paper and your response is “your stupid”, while you don’t provide any factual data to show why they are wrong.

I feel bad for our youth if this is who teaches them.
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This is fair. I went back and re-read your post on the original sentiment on being able to get Covid if you were fully vaccinated and see I must’ve misread it. I’m a man and can apologize when I **** up. So I genuinely apologize.
 
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Keefe said:
Also, I have much respect for @fishonjazz. If he is negatively commenting on something I did, I know I ****ed up. Dude has great character. No hyperbole.
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Im a dick to bucknutz on occasion....... he never retaliates in kind. He deserves respect. Good on you for looking inward and manning up.
 
fishonjazz said:
Im a dick to bucknutz on occasion....... he never retaliates in kind. He deserves respect. Good on you for looking inward and manning up.
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100% agree. He engages honestly.

I get that this has become a mostly centrist space (anyone who wants to say this is some sort of liberal echo chamber, I invite you to make that case) and that right leaning ideas might be attacked and even labeled as far-right or even extremist perspectives. I'm also going to agree that American standard left leaning ideas are given a pass a lot of times where right leaning ideas are not.

Bucknutz has taken the high road and engaged honestly even when the same has not been offered in return.
 
Gameface said:
100% agree. He engages honestly.

I get that this has become a mostly centrist space (anyone who wants to say this is some sort of liberal echo chamber, I invite you to make that case) and that right leaning ideas might be attacked and even labeled as far-right or even extremist perspectives. I'm also going to agree that American standard left leaning ideas are given a pass a lot of times where right leaning ideas are not.

Bucknutz has taken the high road and engaged honestly even when the same has not been offered in return.
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good post.
 
Red said:
Not sure what this is worth, but it’s most recent.

www.propublica.org

COVID-19 Origins: Investigating a “Complex and Grave Situation” Inside a Wuhan Lab

The Wuhan lab at the center of suspicions about the pandemic’s onset was far more troubled than known, documents unearthed by a Senate team reveal. Tracing the evidence, Vanity Fair and ProPublica give the clearest view yet of a biocomplex in crisis.
www.propublica.org www.propublica.org
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Senate report suggesting the evidence most likely points to the Wuhan lab leak theory.
 
Douchebag K said:
Senate report suggesting the evidence most likely points to the Wuhan lab leak theory.
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Yes, the ProPublica/Vanity Fair report I posted traced and examined the evidence developed by that Senate Report. We might bear in mind that the ProPublica/Vanity Fair report ended with this short statement:

Clarification, Oct. 28, 2022: This story has been updated to clarify that Michael Worobey, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Arizona, said two recent papers by him and his colleagues established that “a natural zoonotic origin is the only plausible scenario for the origin of the pandemic.”

This appears to be the July, 2022 paper with Worobey as lead author:


And the second paper mentioned, also from July, 2022:

 
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Gameface said:
100% agree. He engages honestly.

I get that this has become a mostly centrist space (anyone who wants to say this is some sort of liberal echo chamber, I invite you to make that case) and that right leaning ideas might be attacked and even labeled as far-right or even extremist perspectives. I'm also going to agree that American standard left leaning ideas are given a pass a lot of times where right leaning ideas are not.

Bucknutz has taken the high road and engaged honestly even when the same has not been offered in return.
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Great post. The left is so close-minded and unwilling to listen to oftentimes logical, fair points the right makes at times. Which is ironic. Because that was a huge fault of the right for decades. Still is too I guess. But now the left is doing that same ****. Sad.
 
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Gameface said:
Bucknutz has taken the high road and engaged honestly even when the same has not been offered in return.
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There are five or so other conservatives I wish had his tolerance, whose viewpoints I valued even when disagreeing with them. I should have been more clear on that back when they were regulars.
 
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