Jordan Peterson

[One Brow]

Most of his talks are very moving. He genuinely cares about people and it shows. I recommend you give him a listen

I've listened to a lot of Petersen's stuff, and she is the typical person with a big vocabulary and small ideas.

 

[Zombie]

I've only watched two episodes of ContraPoints, and you might have been the person who posted the other one. But they are fantastic.

That's great man! I'm glad you enjoy them. Natalie Wynn is probably my favorite person on YouTube .

 

[Zombie]

I've listened to a lot of Petersen's stuff, and she is the typical person with a big vocabulary and small ideas.

 

[Rubashov]

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The point is that Peterson is so vague and vacillating that it's impossible to discern what he means and whenever you try to pin him down he insists he's being misunderstood. He's quite good at that.
This excerpt is a great example of that:

While Cathy Newman was repeatedly unfair to Peterson’s views throughout the rest of the interview, here she was perfectly right to be confused: what Peterson is saying makes no sense. He wonders how there could be any difference between transgender activists and Mao’s China, then is told that the difference is millions of deaths, then denies that transgender activists are going to cause millions of deaths, then says they follow a totalitarian philosophy that drives people to mass murder. The reason he’s stuck here is that there’s no evidence the Canadian Human Rights Act is about to bring us a gulag archipelago, but that’s what his grandiose statements about left-wing totalitarianism imply will happen. So he must either allege Alberta is about to get its own Great Leap Forward or draw a distinction between Mao’s Red Guards and the University of Toronto LGBTQ center, neither of which he wants to commit to. So we get another heaping dish of Peterson waffle.

So canada is going to have a cultural revolution? I hope it doesnt involve any ****ing Celine Dion.

In other news there is a very real chance the Red Army will invade Hong Kong, seems unlikely that the University of Toronto will be providing commissars but you never know.

 

[Archie Moses]

I don't know if he's a white supremacist or just a charlatan who pretends to know more than he does.

His takes on "western civilization" and especially "post modernist marxism" (lol) are kind of funny though.

If you like psychobabble nonsense he's pretty good at that too.

Do you like study people who have different ideologies than you? You have an opinion about pretty much everyone. How the hell do you keep up?

 

[Zombie]

Do you like study people who have different ideologies than you? You have an opinion about pretty much everyone. How the hell do you keep up?

Haha well, I don't know about everyone, but after hearing so much about how amazing JP is I had to take a closer look. I guess this sort of thing is interesting to me so I spend a fair amount of time on it.

 

[candrew]

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I took it as a slight against Peterson's gender pronoun crusade.

 

[str8line]

Haha well, I don't know about everyone, but after hearing so much about how amazing JP is I had to take a closer look. I guess this sort of thing is interesting to me so I spend a fair amount of time on it.

Did you take issue with the video posted? Seemed logical to me.

 

[Hotdog]

Did you take issue with the video posted? Seemed logical to me.

What seemed logical?

I think you are trying to make a point, but in fact you are not. Whether or not someone finds Peterson helpful is subjective. Im 100% certain you didnt watch the video anyways. You just defer to your default bigotry and bias.

 

[sirkickyass]

Do you like study people who have different ideologies than you? You have an opinion about pretty much everyone. How the hell do you keep up?

Peterson is a person who is beloved by a certain segment of society and has obtained a large degree of notoriety. I've spent time looking into him as well.

I have spent hours on this and I have NO CLUE what he means by "cultural Marxism" and/or "post modern Marxism." I've read articles about the subject. I've listened to him try to talk about it in context. It's a set of words in search of an idea. As far as I can tell it's a cipher that his adherents project whatever they don't like onto. It feels like he is always coming up with an argument about whatever social problem you care about most.

For this reason I was very interested in watching his debate with Zizek a few months ago, since it was nominally supposed to be about Marxism. That was a true "the emperor has no clothes" moment. The Lobster King plainly had no clue what he was talking about when confronted with someone with a pretty significant grasp of the philosophical underpinnings of all the ideas that Peterson gestures at but doesn't really describe.

TL;DR: I'm sure Peterson is helpful to some people as a therapist and as a motivational speaker. But he's closer to Tony Robbins than a real social theorist.

 

[candrew]

I watched most of the Zizek - Peterson debate and it was a clear case of an up and comer (Peterson) hitting his head on the ceiling.

Having said that, I've also read Peterson's "12 Rules" book and it's not without merit as a self-improvement document.

I don't need to agree with someone 100% to find value in what they're saying - not sure when that became a law.

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

I really enjoy Peterson. I can't speak to all of his philosophical ideas or his take on society's woes (I don't care to take the time to learn more about this....apparently he uses lobsters in his research?), but his messages about personal responsibility, living your life to the fullest, and the dangers of compelled speech resonate with me. I also believe that a lot of his ideas come from a place of sincere compassion for others, and a desire to inspire others to lead a life they will truly enjoy. I have his book and it's sitting on my shelf to read. I'll get to it eventually.

I will say that the notion that he might be a white supremacist, is a member of the alt-right, is sexist, or is transphobic are laughable. If the bar to be classified as one of these things is so low as to include someone like Jordan Peterson, than these words or classifications no longer have any real meaning.