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I like Kierkegaard’s idea of Christianity. People who consider themselves Christians, as a matter of course and without reflection, are deceiving themselves. Other than Christ, no one is really Christian. That it's more useful to talk in terms of those interested in becoming Christian and for them it is a journey without end, at least in this life.
Yet Christ doesn't actually exist and Christians do. So it's a bit of a paradox.
 
Clinton supports a no fly zone in parts of Syria. That is an extremely dangerous game at this point. It's gotten past that point unless you're looking for armed conflict with Russia or public humiliation.

I find the foreign policy part very entertaining.
 
I found the focus group after the debate very interesting. It ended with a solid group "no" to if they are satisfied with the candidate s and two straight individual expressions of dislike for the choices.

Came off very strong.
 
I watched the entire thing.

Trump was a chump, with a goofy smile. While Hillary was calling him "dangerous", there was very little that seemed overboard. Did anyone put a clock on Hillary? She knew she could talk all she wanted.

At the end, the bit about "will you accept the results" was made out by the TV talking morans like he was saying he had his army outfitted to just take over if the election didn't run his way. Pretty stupid comments about how in history America's first election was the first peaceful transfer of power in history, by Cokie Roberts the self-styled historian who hasn't heard of Greece or Rome. Or a lot of American Indian tribes for that matter.

Most Trump leaners will walk away from this with absolute disgust for the moderator who like others before him joined in on Hillary's side, using prejudicial phrasing to load questions for Trump and debating against him without pretense of objectivity. He cut Trump out of his two minutes on every question, and let Hillary run three or four. And Hillary knew it was coming her way, and had her lines memorized.

People who watch TV and believe it are pretty much beyond reach anyway.

Trump said "we'll see" like anyone should. If there is any outright fraud, he will prosecute his case in Hillary's courts, just to show the American people he still cares about America. I think he is in this for the long run, even if he loses this election, he will do what he can towards resolution of criminal or scofflaw administrators and officials who are doing stuff a lot of Americans feel should no longer be tolerated without remonstrance. And kiddies, that big word means a civil objection made publicly, not a civil war.

People who make Trump out to be a tyrant just don't know that he cares about the good things America has been for so many hard working and honorable people who found their chance in America when they could not have had that chance anywhere else.

And what was wrong with all those nations and times past which led so many people to come to America? Governance by people like Hillary.
 
I watched the entire thing.

Trump was a chump, with a goofy smile. While Hillary was calling him "dangerous", there was very little that seemed overboard. Did anyone put a clock on Hillary? She knew she could talk all she wanted.

At the end, the bit about "will you accept the results" was made out by the TV talking morans like he was saying he had his army outfitted to just take over if the election didn't run his way. Pretty stupid comments about how in history America's first election was the first peaceful transfer of power in history, by Cokie Roberts the self-styled historian who hasn't heard of Greece or Rome. Or a lot of American Indian tribes for that matter.

Most Trump leaners will walk away from this with absolute disgust for the moderator who like others before him joined in on Hillary's side, using prejudicial phrasing to load questions for Trump and debating against him without pretense of objectivity. He cut Trump out of his two minutes on every question, and let Hillary run three or four. And Hillary knew it was coming her way, and had her lines memorized.

People who watch TV and believe it are pretty much beyond reach anyway.

Trump said "we'll see" like anyone should. If there is any outright fraud, he will prosecute his case in Hillary's courts, just to show the American people he still cares about America. I think he is in this for the long run, even if he loses this election, he will do what he can towards resolution of criminal or scofflaw administrators and officials who are doing stuff a lot of Americans feel should no longer be tolerated without remonstrance. And kiddies, that big word means a civil objection made publicly, not a civil war.

People who make Trump out to be a tyrant just don't know that he cares about the good things America has been for so many hard working and honorable people who found their chance in America when they could not have had that chance anywhere else.

And what was wrong with all those nations and times past which led so many people to come to America? Governance by people like Hillary.


With things like massive insurance fraud and all of his other abuses he would be the perfect person for that. Good thing there are good people like yourself, babe, to remonstrate about all of this stuff for us kiddies.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...for-damage-few-remember/ar-AAjlkpj?li=BBnbcA1
 
With things like massive insurance fraud and all of his other abuses he would be the perfect person for that. Good thing there are good people like yourself, babe, to remonstrate about all of this stuff for us kiddies.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...for-damage-few-remember/ar-AAjlkpj?li=BBnbcA1

If the insurance company paid the $17M without supporting documentation of the damage, that's their fault.

MSN has a reputation for saying anything they can imagine as long as it's gonna pave the way for Hillary to the Whitehouse, and no doubt will net much more than $17 M in quids for their quo.

I have no illusions about how Trump does business, I expect it to be tough on his creditors, competition, and anyone else with a nickel that can be shaken loose. But Hillary is actually a lot more corrupt, and sbe has been milking her quarter billion from influence peddling on the US public's expense.

yep, you folks look like "nitwits" alright just buying the party line. No doubt you wouldn't do that unless you have either been sorta mesmerized, brainwashed, or taken for fools because Hillary is not going to look out for you unless you are important directly to her immediate goals.

Here you sit, quibbling about Trump's manners and methods, supporting the most outrageous criminal conduct and public failures in our entire history.

but Hell, if you won't take it from Mark Levin, you sure as hell won't listen to me.
 
If the insurance company paid the $17M without supporting documentation of the damage, that's their fault.

MSN has a reputation for saying anything they can imagine as long as it's gonna pave the way for Hillary to the Whitehouse, and no doubt will net much more than $17 M in quids for their quo.

I have no illusions about how Trump does business, I expect it to be tough on his creditors, competition, and anyone else with a nickel that can be shaken loose. But Hillary is actually a lot more corrupt, and sbe has been milking her quarter billion from influence peddling on the US public's expense.

yep, you folks look like "nitwits" alright just buying the party line. No doubt you wouldn't do that unless you have either been sorta mesmerized, brainwashed, or taken for fools because Hillary is not going to look out for you unless you are important directly to her immediate goals.

Here you sit, quibbling about Trump's manners and methods, supporting the most outrageous criminal conduct and public failures in our entire history.

but Hell, if you won't take it from Mark Levin, you sure as hell won't listen to me.

I don't support Hillary and I've never bought any party line. This is about Trump. Trump is a nut job. Hillary is corrupt, but so is Trump. And I'll take corrupt over crazy any day of the week.
 
I don't support Hillary and I've never bought any party line. This is about Trump. Trump is a nut job. Hillary is corrupt, but so is Trump. And I'll take corrupt over crazy any day of the week.

Well, I see this point. I thought at the outset that Trump was just Hillary's Perot, out to earn some quid for participating in the dicing and slicing of the Republican Party.

Who knows the man's heart, really, but I've come to take it that Trump has changed some stuff about himself, and now sees this as a need to redirect the national path. Maybe just because taking America down to the general conditions worldwide is bad for business, but I think he loves the idea of America being above all that, a place of opportunity and prosperity. I don't see him as a fascist nearly to the extent of the Clintons, or nearly so obsessed with power. I think he sees the US Constitution as a good thing, and a defined American set of interests as better.

Anyone who can articulate the outrage of American voters against shear corruption ought to win this Election. I vote for Trump.
 
I don't support Hillary and I've never bought any party line. This is about Trump. Trump is a nut job. Hillary is corrupt, but so is Trump. And I'll take corrupt over crazy any day of the week.

Why would you take corrupt over crazy?

In this particular case its more of Trump is a dumb *** with a big ego. Nothing really more than that. Trump isnt the next Hitler. Its not even close.

Hillary is a neoliberal. She isnt a progressive at all. It makes no sense for anyone on the left to vote for her. She is basically the same as George Bush. She isnt for the middle class or little guy. She is also a warmonger. It basically going to be more of the same, but even worse. She'll give us more national debt, more rigged markets through corporatism, etc.

Everyone who votes for Hillary is going to regret it. Guaranteed

Vote Jill Stein if you actaully want to vote for a real progressive.

Vote Trump if you are tired of corrupt politics. The racism card being pushed by the main stream media is BS. You are a sucker if you fall for it.
 
Why would you take corrupt over crazy?

In this particular case its more of Trump is a dumb *** with a big ego. Nothing really more than that. Trump isnt the next Hitler. Its not even close.

Hillary is a neoliberal. She isnt a progressive at all. It makes no sense for anyone on the left to vote for her. She is basically the same as George Bush. She isnt for the middle class or little guy. She is also a warmonger. It basically going to be more of the same, but even worse. She'll give us more national debt, more rigged markets through corporatism, etc.

Everyone who votes for Hillary is going to regret it. Guaranteed

Vote Jill Stein if you actaully want to vote for a real progressive.

Vote Trump if you are tired of corrupt politics. The racism card being pushed by the main stream media is BS. You are a sucker if you fall for it.


It is funny how they believe Trump is any different than all these other politicians. He is cause he is not a politician. He is crass an tells it how it is while Hillary lies an then does whatever the hell she wants when the spotlight is turned off.

[MENTION=2298]Computer[/MENTION] do me a favour an start a thread about Hillary new emails of her trying to infiltrate religious organizations. If that does not frighten you to the core I do not know what Hitlary would be allowed to get away with. At least with Trump I know he will not suspend the bill of rights.
 
Why would you take corrupt over crazy?

I took his post to say that both Hillary and trump are corrupt. Trump is corrupt AND crazy. Hillary is just corrupt.
So I thought he was trying to say that he would take a corrupt president over a president who is corrupt AND crazy.

Hillary is corrupt, but so is Trump. And I'll take corrupt over crazy any day of the week.



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