Poll: Should the Jazz Match Hayward's $15.75 a year/4 year Contract?

[JAZZGASM]

They should have extended him last year. I see him having a major improvement from last season. If that improvement benefits Charlotte, a lot of you are going to eat your words. It was the exact same with Matthews. Everyone was saying he wasn't worth the offer extended. Hindsight is a bitch.

 

[fishonjazz]

you haven't watched the Jazz and/or have no understanding of the climate of the NBA.

Hayward has improved each season he's been in the league.

Lolololololololololol

Last year was possibly his worst year so far...... in a contract year...... when he was handed the keys to the team, made the face of the franchise, and given every opportunity possible to show how good he is

 

[JAZZGASM]

Lolololololololololol

Last year was possibly his worst year so far...... in a contract year...... when he was handed the keys to the team, made the face of the franchise, and given every opportunity possible to show how good he is

He had a frustrating year, in a disorganized offense. Using last year as a litmus test for his skills would be foolish when everyone saw how well he played under Sloan. Hayward is a system player. He did well at Butler and under Sloan.

 

[fishonjazz]

Everyone's shooting % are wildly better with Hayward on the court too.

Link? Wildly better lol..... hayward played 37 minutes per game last year (iirc). So he was on the court almost all the time.

What was the jazz team shooting percentage? Where did the jazz offense rank?

 

[ema]

This is going to be a no-brainer after the new TV deal is signed. Glad for a forward looking DL who isn't caught up in the fan reaction to a dollar figure rather than realities of the business.

Won't the new TV deal or anything else like that will also affect the future signings/market? Wouldn't it be wiser to poach players from as low prices as we could before the TV deal, so we could still have advantage after the deal is on? And we could use that advantage to actually compete with other bidders when hunting free agents or to convince our players to stay, not to overpay someone like Hayward.

Why is the rush with overpaying Hayward?

 

[fishonjazz]

This. I think for the most part, Hayward's ability to make people better on the court and how he can effect a game without even scoring are areas that most Jazz fans pay zero attention to when assessing his value. Most fans simply recycle the shooting percentage argument, which makes sense because there is a large amount of idiots in this fan base.

Haywards amazing ability to make everyone else better led us to being one of the worst offensive and defensive teams in the league.


If we really had a max player on our roster last year, i dont think we would have finished with the 4th worsr record. Tank or no tank

 

[fishonjazz]

Jefferson is not a repalcement for Hayward lol. I'd rather bring Williams back. If this is the case then embrace Tank 2.0.

Jefferson is better for next years tank though. (Which if we spend this much on hayward, is apparently what we are doing next year)

 

[JAZZGASM]

Haywards amazing ability to make everyone else better led us to being one of the worst offensive and defensive teams in the league.


If we really had a max player on our roster last year, i dont think we would have finished with the 4th worsr record. Tank or no tank

Honestly, you can't blame Hayward for the woes of the Jazz last year. It was one of the most dysfunctional displays of basketball I have ever seen. It reminded me of watching D-league games (unwatchable). It has been established that Hayward is not a #1 option (hopefully Exum is). We all know Hayward can do very well in a good system. If we can't get Parsons, who else do we replace him with? Losing him will be a huge dent in the quality of this team.

If the Jazz believe they can actually replace him for less, then great. Otherwise, re-signing him is a no-brainer.

 

[fishonjazz]

But the main point is that we have to match for the sole purpose we won't be able to spend that money anywhere else.

Why not?

Is it against the rules to give some money to marvin williams and trevor ariza and kent bazemore?..... or are we only allowed to spend our money on hayward for some reason?

 

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for posterity, let me put my opinion in writing:

You don't match this offer. You thread the thin needle and get some assets in a sign-and-trade.

Zeller, Vonleh, MKG, future picks.... they have stuff that we could use.

 

[JAZZGASM]

The other thing to keep in mind, that going over the cap won't hurt the Jazz like it has in previous years. The Jazz have always been profitable (except for a couple years paying luxury tax I assume). With the current revenue sharing, the Millers are making a lot more $$$. So it doesn't hurt them as much to pay more for Hayward.

If the cap goes up, but max contracts are the same, the team can keep its core and not worry about luxury tax. I feel like the current team will be able to contend once they develop and jell. Maybe I am too optimistic. I think Hayward is a key piece to this team. Without him, they take a big step backwards.

 

[JAZZGASM]

for posterity, let me put my opinion in writing:

You don't match this offer. You thread the thin needle and get some assets in a sign-and-trade.

Zeller, Vonleh, MKG, future picks.... they have stuff that we could use.

Michael Jordan is a competitive gambler. I think he is going to bet on us not matching. He'll take the risk rather than give up assets.

 

[fishonjazz]

People say, "but he was one of five players who averaged 15-5-5.."

Just want to add that those other 5 players averaged more than those numbers.

 

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The other thing to keep in mind, that going over the cap won't hurt the Jazz like it has in previous years. The Jazz have always been profitable (except for a couple years paying luxury tax I assume). With the current revenue sharing, the Millers are making a lot more $$$. So it doesn't hurt them as much to pay more for Hayward.

If the cap goes up, but max contracts are the same, the team can keep its core and not worry about luxury tax. I feel like the current team will be able to contend once they develop and jell. Maybe I am too optimistic. I think Hayward is a key piece to this team. Without him, they take a big step backwards.

Paying Hayward this much money is just bad business. I don't need to see the minutiae in the numbers. It's quite apparent already.

 

[fishonjazz]

What?

He is saying that big al, demarre carroll, and paul millsap all played with hayward..... then played without hayward. and were better without him. At least i think thag is what he is saying

 

[fishonjazz]

I guess we shouldn't pay Hayward this year because maybe someone will blow Burks away with a $9,000,000 offer sheet next summer. What a silly stance to take.

Lol. I never said that.

I said we shouldnt max hayward because you should NEVER, no matter the financial situation, max mediocre players.

 

[sirkickyass]

I'm skeptical of the "this contract won't be so bad as the cap rises" argument. It's not like Eric Gordon's deal is getting more palatable as time goes on.

Isn't Luol Deng available at 75% of this cost?

 

[fishonjazz]

Hayward is a system player. He did well at Butler and under Sloan.

Lololol

System player. Did well. These are bot words i use to describe max players

 

[fishonjazz]

Won't the new TV deal or anything else like that will also affect the future signings/market? Wouldn't it be wiser to poach players from as low prices as we could before the TV deal, so we could still have advantage after the deal is on? And we could use that advantage to actually compete with other bidders when hunting free agents or to convince our players to stay, not to overpay someone like Hayward. Why is the rush with overpaying with Hayward?

Smart post right there.

With the new tv deal we will have to pay way more for guys like burke, gobert, exum, etc in the future and that should be taken into consideration.

If haywatd is getting this much under this salary cap then we will probably have to pay a mediocre trey burke 20 million per year in a few years with the higher cap

 

[Deleted member 365]

You are correct in that GH is not worth the max. A question or two for you than.... Assuming DL is not a complete lunatic and is somewhat competent, why do you think he is adamant about matching?

Why do you think that DL wasn't just blowing smoke?

Have you ever played poker?