Privileged by Kyle Korver

[Lakers_Slapper]

At the end of the day, I can only be responsible for myself, my thoughts, my beliefs, my actions. So what can I do? Education and empathy.

I've been trying to educate myself for awhile now, and make it a point to read books by and about people of color on a regular basis. I'm in the midst of one of those times right now. I'm listening on audiobook to Barack Obama's "Dreams From My Father." I finished reading "On the Come Up" by Angie Thomas last night (a novel about an black female teen aspiring to be a rapper - had to look up a lot of references I didn't understand), and I saw the movie "The Best of Enemies" on Saturday. This article rounds out this week's education.

I likely will never be able to fully understand, but I can certainly care and try and listen. How powerful would it be if we all cared and tried and listened more? It's the best way toward change that I can think of.

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I personally think that that is awesome that you're making an effort to educate yourself. Just keep in mind that there is so much beauty to the African American culture. There is so much more to their music than rap. There is a certain poetry about their culture that is the most beautiful thing you will ever see. They came here in shackles and have changed music, athletics, politics, culture, family values and so much more. I promise you that the more you learn, the more respect you will have.

 

[Aneurism]

I think Jeremy Lin would have copped more racism than the standard NBA player because he doesn't necessarily look like the majority faces on the court or off it.

 

[Gameface]

The only people who can comfortably proclaim that they have no privilege are the people who have enough privilege to believe that.

 

[Gameface]

 

[Stoked]

Don't you think it romanticizes mischief. Like a bad feedback loop?

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I think it’s a way of people telling their stories and experiences. Why do they say what they say?

 

[Alfalfa]

People make the same ****ing arguments that I have seen responded to a million times on this site! "Oh, all whites are privileged?? How about this guy??". It's been responded to over and over and over.

Some people just don't give a **** I suppose.

 

[One Brow]

So you both insinuate he’s a liar while dismissing someone’s experience who might have something you should hear.

Not a good look tbh.

Well, since he's not claiming to be American or not American, to be white or not white, it's hard to say he's lying about a fact he's not stating.

If he has a perspective to share, I'll listen. Right now, Tak is only saying that no one should tell him he needs to listen. So, there's not much experience there to hear, either.

Edit to add: by the way, this is the poster who has said tone doesn't matter in a conversation. So, I'm sure they have no objections to my tone.

 

[One Brow]

Now you sound like a typical american jerk from any comedy... "don't you talk about the USA if you're a foreigner... damn foreigners stickin' his noses in the good 'ol USA"

Racism is not an american property, it's a global issue, but hey, would you be so kind to let me have an opinion about it?

I wasn't aware you had an opinion about it. So far, all you've said is that you want to be hear, without actually saying anything else.

 

[Hotdog]

People make the same ****ing arguments that I have seen responded to a million times on this site! "Oh, all whites are privileged?? How about this guy??". It's been responded to over and over and over.

Some people just don't give a **** I suppose.

Ive never seen those responses. I give a ****. Try me.

 

[One Brow]

Not all the time, and not verbally, this is true.
It does come across many times as condescending and not as a conversation, imo.
To steal from another poster's wording, you appear to listen not to understand but to get to your next point.
This very well could be the case many times with myself or others you converse with at times.
I just have not found this forum to be a safe or useful environment in most instances for this conversation.
It generally devolves quickly into name calling, arguments, and/or posturing.
/opinion

Well, they did set up a safe space for conservatives in the General Discussion forum.

I won't deny aggressively positioning my understanding of the evidence of both social research and my own eyes.

Not all conversation is productive. If you treat illegitimate positions as if they are, in fact, legitimate, you give them status they do not deserve. You can have a decent conversation about the effectiveness of any particular attempt to solve/alleviate a problem like racism (such as whether certain types of housing vouchers are helpful), but there is no decent conversation to be had about the existence of racism. The latter position does not deserve respect.

 

[Hotdog]

The only people who can comfortably proclaim that they have no privilege are the people who have enough privilege to believe that.

Nah, I think its more like the people here who accept they have white privilege are the ones who actually do. Just because you have been spoon fed on a silver platter doesnt mean the rest of us have.

White privilege is earned status. Like Barack Obama or Michael Jackson. You know, two of the most beloved people to walk the planet.

 

[One Brow]

I agree. I would suggest he listen to Larry Elder. You know, an actual Black man. Unlike Kyle, who offers no real solutions other than White people needing to recognize their privilege, Larry talks about actual causes and actual solutions.

Racism exists. White privilege does not.

Now, this is the type of statement that doesn't deserve a decent conversation. White guy finds a black guy who denies reality in the same way he does, ignores the thousands of black men, evidence of social science, etc. that say otherwise, and denies the existence of a phenomenon that has been measured. Basically, a flat-earther of race relations.