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Reports in the local media Jazz to re-sign Exum


SoberasHotRod

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My thoughts on this that nobody asked for:
- I hated the Exum pick, but he seems like a good kid and I'll continue to cheer for his success.
- From a Jazz perspective having him take the Oni role could make sense. From his perspective it's probably time to make some money in Europe. An 11th to 14th man might make some sense given his fragility, but teams are always going to want to fill those spots with higher upside guys.
- Oni and Forrest provide very different things, however Forrest is obviously the better prospect to develop and give minutes to in my opinion. I think Oni gives us some unique defensive and rebounding skills that could make a switching type defense work, so I guess that is something.
- I'm still of the opinion that having an end of the bench defensive specialist is not going to put us over the top, but we still need to trade some of our offensively talented players for a rotation quality defender.
 


NAOS

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I don't think he really can...and if I'm an opposing team I am dying for the Jazz to try to beat me with Trent Forrest. Whether he's shooting wide open 3's or getting into the paint and trying to get his floater/lob game going that is a huge win for the opponent. To me, Forrest is in a tough situation because his offensive game is only passable when he has the ball, but he is also not good enough with the ball to warrant the ball on this team.

If he was shooting low 30's I could see it....but banking on him being a low 30's shooter is arguably a bigger leap than banking on Oni being a high 30's shooter. I just don't believe in his shot. Forrest was 25% in college and 26% as a pro (NBA, Summer League, Preseason).
Did I say we’d try to beat someone with Forrest? I’m talking about a deep-bench player. Don’t get twisted.

There are reasons for optimism, and I see that you’re not taking them. Fine. But adios, cuz I am. Ciao babe.
 

infection

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Did I say we’d try to beat someone with Forrest? I’m talking about a deep-bench player. Don’t get twisted.

There are reasons for optimism, and I see that you’re not taking them. Fine. But adios, cuz I am. Ciao babe.
 

KqWIN

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Did I say we’d try to beat someone with Forrest? I’m talking about a deep-bench player. Don’t get twisted.

There are reasons for optimism, and I see that you’re not taking them. Fine. But adios, cuz I am. Ciao babe.

Well, you did say let them sag off him so he can punish them. One way or another he’s going to have to beat the defense if teams do their scouting and leave him wide open. I didn’t literally win the entire game himself lol.

I see reasons for optimism and have mentioned them a lot in the past. The offensive game is just too much of a barrier for me on this team. Like I said, a different team that could use more of an on ball presence could probably work for him.

Don’t mind him as a roster spot guy though. He’s talented enough. Just not as optimistic about his ability to come into the rotation.
 
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KqWIN

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For the record, if we were to drop anyone to pick Exum/any other defender the guy I’d actually want to cut is Dok. I know there’s more a financial burden there, but he is the most hopeless prospect on the team IMO. He’s far away from being good enough to contribute now and I don’t think he has much upside either. If we have unlimited money we should just take another shot in the dark with another perimeter defender.

Will be interesting if we pick up Dok’s rookie option.
 

NAOS

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Well, you did say let them sag off him so he can punish them. One way or another he’s going to have to beat the defense if teams do their scouting and leave him wide open. I didn’t literally win the entire game himself lol.

I see reasons for optimism and have mentioned them a lot in the past. The offensive game is just too much of a barrier for me on this team. Like I said, a different team that could use more of an on ball presence could probably work for him.

Don’t mind him as a roster spot guy though. He’s talented enough. Just not as optimistic about his ability to come into the rotation.
If you think you’re adequately synopsizing my views here, then I’m not sure what to say.

Just seems like you’ve found a spot to slowly pour out some of your patented sour soup.
 

KqWIN

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If you think you’re adequately synopsizing my views here, then I’m not sure what to say.

Just seems like you’ve found a spot to slowly pour out some of your patented sour soup.

Ahh…my favorite part. The personal attacks because why discuss basketball?

You got me, it’s not that I don’t believe in Forrest because of jump shot. It’s because I wanted to dish out some sour soup.

In fact, I’m optimistic about Oni just because I want to be a downer…wait a second.
 

NAOS

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Ahh…my favorite part. The personal attacks because why discuss basketball?

You got me, it’s not that I don’t believe in Forrest because of jump shot. It’s because I wanted to dish out some sour soup.

In fact, I’m optimistic about Oni just because I want to be a downer…wait a second.
not much of a personal attack. More of a throw-my-hands-up after watching you take what I said down the slanted path that you seemed destined to take it.

And we all know you like some sour soup, braugh.
 

KqWIN

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Oni was +19.5 in 365 real minutes last year. Forrest was -4.1 in 198 real minutes. Tiny sample sizes, lots of noise, players get better worse, ect. It’s best practice to take it all with a grain a salt but we don’t have much to go off of. I’m confident Oni can step in and fill in because he did just that last year. Could Exum do that? Probably if I’m being honest. It’s not the most difficult task to play along side great player. Not a huge difference between the two when standing around in the corner and Exum might still be the better defender…but I’m still leaning Oni. He’s proven and I still think he becomes extremely valuable if he gets a little bit better.

Forrest…TBD. He looked great in summer league but preseason gave me hesitation. He was pounding the ball like crazy and shot 5-18. Summer League Exum was just short of a mythological figure so I hesitate to take much stock into that. I love Forrest’s passing and really love his defense, but if teams dare him to score I think we run into major issues. He really knows how to play but it’s hard for me to overlook the shooting. My feeing is that Exum has a better chance of fitting into this roster but I’d still probably give Forrest a real roster spot over him with the hope that his shooting improves.

Oni
Hughes
Forrest
Exum

Dok
Fitts

That’s how I’d see Exum fit into the end of roster hierarchy. Tbf to Exum, his Olympic performance was probably the best “what have you done for me lately” out of all these guys. He was really good this summer. His preseason with HOU was wild. Only 3 shots in 41 minutes.
 

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