The Caravan

[Joe Bagadonuts]

The biggest driver of right wing extremist violence is racist animosity, which is in a variety of ways fostered and encouraged by much of the leadership of the republican party. That, to me, is the biggest difference between the two sides.

The main reason you claim that racial animosity is fostered by the republican party is that you are listening to the left who says that it is. One thing the left is very good at is stoking this furnace. They attempt to define any negative interaction between people of different races as racism.

A black person was killed by a cop? Racism!

Illegal immigrants were deported? Racism!

A non-white person was jailed for drug distribution? Racism!

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

The biggest driver of right wing extremist violence is racist animosity, which is in a variety of ways fostered and encouraged by much of the leadership of the republican party. That, to me, is the biggest difference between the two sides.

The main reason you claim that racial animosity is fostered by the republican party is that you are listening to the left who says that it is. One thing the left is very good at is stoking this furnace. They attempt to define any negative interaction between people of different races as racism.

A black person was killed by a cop? Racism!

Illegal immigrants were deported? Racism!

A non-white person was jailed for drug distribution? Racism!

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

False equivalence.

Not all leftists adore Obama. Just like not all right wingers adore Trump.

Fair point, but I can find plenty of crazed lunatic uninformed Obama supporters, just like I can for Trump. I figured if I posted this sort of stuff people would say it wasn't current enough.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Neither party has cornered the market on stupid, uninformed, or irrationally tribal.

 

[Zombie]

The main reason you claim that racial animosity is fostered by the republican party is that you are listening to the left who says that it is.

Or I've paid a modicum of attention to Donald J Trump.

 

[Harambe]

Really. Really.

I wonder why there are not grand caravans of thousands of people trying to get into Russia, China.... or Venezuela so far as that goes...…

we must really be some kind of monster nation. sounds that way, from all the propaganda run out in here.

http://www.unhcr.org/statistics/unhcrstats/58aa8f247/mid-year-trends-june-2016.html

You should probably consider this.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Whoa, one example from over a year ago where no one died? That's the same as 3 examples from one week and a dozen dead. And people holding rallies? That's totally as bad as a mailing bombs.



Ok, I'll play. What exactly are Bowers and Sayoc fighting for then? More rights for us Jews?

You call this a rally?
I could find much, much more like that.

It's probably not a good idea for you to measure which party is better by how much carnage the people on it's farthest extreme create. It might be true that you could win that argument on some parameter today. For all we know, tomorrow could be a completely different story. All it takes is one whackadoodle who claims to be on your side to completely mess up your argument.

Bowers and Sayoc are mentally ill. Asking the right to explain their actions is as productive as asking the left to explain this:

 

[Stoked]

@Joe Bagadonuts

Yes, there are crazy Obamaites out there. We all know it. But as a comparable group they are not similar to me in tone, anger and aggression. Pointing out a few cases doesn’t change to overall tone of a group of millions.

I agree, it’s not a good idea to compare when one side has clearly, as shown by facts, cost America a far higher price in lives lost. Over years and years.

 

[JimLes]

All it takes is one whackadoodle who claims to be on your side to completely mess up your argument.

Only you seem to believe that one video somehow completely messes up years of data showing otherwise. By that logic, there's no difference between Curry and Rubio as shooters because hey, here's a video of Ricky hitting a three at some point. Since both Rubio and Curry hit some threes some of the time, they're both the same.

 

[Stoked]

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1805864002

Pentagon is sending 5,000 troops to the border to stop the caravan.

 

[Zombie]

Just one of the many many examples of right wing media using disgusting rhetoric that feeds directly into the narrative of people like Sayoc and Bowers.

 

[Harambe]

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1805864002

Pentagon is sending 5,000 troops to the border to stop the caravan.

Do we know it's illegally? I feel like we can't know until they get to a port of entry to officially request asylum. There's nuances, but they should be legally allowed to apply. I just don't buy that all 4,000 fleeing are criminals.

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/asylum-united-states

So 5,000 troops, on top of what we've got on border patrol already. Seems excessive. But perhaps our commander in chief is sending them down to help process applications, and not something like open fire on largely civilians that are already running for their lives.

Right?