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KqWIN said:
Eh...I don't think fitting around Sabonis is their issue, their overall talent level just isn't very high imo. They don't stack up well compared to the playoff teams.
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It’s a big part of it. To have a competent defense they likely need a tim protecting center or PF. If they get one that can’t space the floor a bit then their main action/offensive advantages will suffer. They haven’t maxed out all their options in the backcourt or on the wing. I think Sabonis is a regular season force but his limitations will lead them to being significantly less effective in the post season in most matchups.
 
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If Orlando would have used their space for Max Strus instead of Joe Ingles I think they’d be able to beat this Cavs team. They just have no one you are afraid of out there at all.
 
This series looks like it will be spicy at least.
 
Was really hoping we would get a game 1 Orlando win followed by a Donovan “we know what we need to do we just need to do it” quote.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
It’s a big part of it. To have a competent defense they likely need a tim protecting center or PF. If they get one that can’t space the floor a bit then their main action/offensive advantages will suffer. They haven’t maxed out all their options in the backcourt or on the wing. I think Sabonis is a regular season force but his limitations will lead them to being significantly less effective in the post season in most matchups.
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They had a competent defense this year, and I think the areas that were lacking have very little to do with the fit with Sabonis. Sabonis is the only + usage guy who is above average TS. You can't blame that on a Sabonis fit, because that is a purely offensive struggle and they do not play with two bigs. Fact is, their ball handlers/wings just aren't that good. Fox, Monk, Huerter, Murray are all below average efficiency players. If the Kings were actually playing with two bigs the whole time or struggling on defense you could blame it on that. That was not the case.

We are way too quick to say this guy or that guy is a ceiling limiter when they are not in a good situation. Besides, the Kings aren't even aiming for the highest ceiling. I think they'd be perfectly content to be a consistent playoff team but they don't have the overall talent to do so in the west. I don't think that roster is very good in general. If you took Sabonis off that roster, there are only a handful of players in the entire NBA who you could put on that team and make me think that's a playoff roster. Given that Sabonis is never hurt, he's probably one of the best regular season producers in the league anyways which is what they want.
 
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KqWIN said:
We are way too quick to say this guy or that guy is a ceiling limiter when they are not in a good situation.
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Any time you’re within any kind of quasi-contention and you don’t win it all, your guy or template is a ceiling limiter. When you win, your guy or structure is the new winning model “in today’s NBA.”
 
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Any time you’re within any kind of quasi-contention and you don’t win it all, your guy or template is a ceiling limiter. When you win, your guy or structure is the new winning model “in today’s NBA.”
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