Coronavirus

[silesian]

Consider the argument posed by Rusty Reno in the pages of the magazine he edits, the largely conservative Catholic First Things. Reno criticizes New York governor Andrew Cuomo for saying “I did everything we could do. And if everything we do saves just one life, I’ll be happy.” To Reno, Cuomo’s statement represents a “disastrous sentimentalism” because “there are many things more precious than life.”

Yes, there are causes worth laying down one’s life for. But to think of today’s social-isolation practices in those terms is a bizarre and extreme misjudgment. In his topsy-turvy interpretation, Reno believes the temporary stay-at-home measures that New York has put in place to protect lives are actually allowing a fear of death to displace other things we should care about. Claiming that the news media and public-health officials are “conspir[ing] to heighten the atmosphere of crisis,” Reno says that Satan would approve and that “the mass shutdown of society to fight the spread of COVID-19 creates a perverse, even demonic atmosphere.”

 

[Deleted member 365]

For those who insist that the cure is worse than the disease:

 

[silesian]

Would you grant that one could believe loss of life as the sole intended consequence is different than loss of life as a result of elevated risk factors? Would pro-lifers be inconsistent in belief by opposing the loss of life via abortion while also voting for raising the speed limit on the highway? [not arguing scale here, just principle]

You are one smart dude. I love your reasoning and it is consistent with my moral code.

My answer is that it depends on how that person is pro life. If they say “we should do whatever practical to avoid unwanted pregnancy and abortions” (kinda my view) then you can consistently say “I’m okay with raising the speed limit” and Be logically and morally consistent.

if one argues against abortion by making statements such as “we must save every life at any costs because every life is sacred.” With an inflexible and absolutist position, this person has difficulty supporting raising speed limits, knowing that deaths will occur, even if these deaths are stochastic.

 

[infection]

Here’s some projections from the University of Washington.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/proj...aO2FlqVzmHUenlasJST3dt195lRnHJMEkrEfr5KdpoT-Y

You can go by state and it projects hospital resources and projected shortages as a function of time.

Overall with social distancing, projecting about 80k deaths by August.

 

[silesian]

Your claim remains unsubstantiated.

I sent you 3 examples. Took me ~5 minutes. Look around the internet for more.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Supporting Joe Biden isn't left. It's right. Your just mad he isn't a far right idiot like you.

It's so fitting that there is a typo in your answer.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Anyone who is advocating for stopping lockdowns or shutdowns or social distancing for economic reasons is saying that they will trade lives for prosperity.

I’m not even arguing that this is wrong.

Im just saying that people who profess to be pro life cannot make this argument without moral difficulties.

Not true. It is literally impossible to know where any set of actions other than the ones we actually take would lead, but it is not at all impossible to believe that if we would have instead used a fraction of the stimulus package money in order to fully quarantine the most vulnerable portions of our population, while simultaneously keeping the economy running, that we wouldn't have ultimately achieved a better outcome. Remember, corona is not the only thing that kills. Poverty is a killer too, and if we decide to cut the legs out from under our economy for an extended period of time we are going to experience a ton of that.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Supporting Joe Biden isn't left. It's right. Your just mad he isn't a far right idiot like you.

Also, BTW, like most Dems, Thriller wasn't actually a Biden supporter. The entire Democratic party just got drunk in Vegas one night. Soon they are going to wake up and be horrified to realize that they accidentally got married to a senile candidate who literally personifies everything they'd been previously claiming that they did not want.

 

[silesian]

Not true. It is literally impossible to know where any set of actions other than the ones we actually take would lead, but it is not at all impossible to believe that if we would have instead used a fraction of the stimulus package money in order to fully quarantine the most vulnerable portions of our population, while simultaneously keeping the economy running, that we wouldn't have ultimately achieved a better outcome. Remember, corona is not the only thing that kills. Poverty is a killer too, and if we decide to cut the legs out from under our economy for an extended period of time we are going to experience a ton of that.

They’ll drop into poverty if we choose to let them drop into poverty. We just opened up a 2 trillion pocketbook

the notion that letting people die from disease is in our country’s best long term economic interest is both flawed and immoral.

 

[Avery]

Also, BTW, like most Dems, Thriller wasn't actually a Biden supporter. The entire Democratic party just got drunk in Vegas one night. Soon they are going to wake up and be horrified to realize that they accidentally got married to a senile candidate who literally personifies everything they'd been previously claiming that they did not want.

That... sounds like the Republican Party in 2016 and now it’s the party of Trump.

November will be interesting.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Also, BTW, like most Dems, Thriller wasn't actually a Biden supporter. The entire Democratic party just got drunk in Vegas one night. Soon they are going to wake up and be horrified to realize that they accidentally got married to a senile candidate who literally personifies everything they'd been previously claiming that they did not want.

Biden doesn't seem like a viable candidate anymore. He's been so infirm in his few media appearances this week, it just doesn't seem like he's going to be up to the task. In one of his fundraisers in Georgia he was reportedly telling donors that he would need to be replaced by his VP nominee early on. It's also possible that the DNC will nominate someone else at the convention when it's said and done. It's not that Biden has gaffes, per se. He has spells where he can barely talk.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Your talking points are cute.

Lmfao