I hate rapists...

[Jazz Spazz]

A couple of interesting quotes. I'm lazy and used Wikipedia which quoted from many sources.

From 2000–2005, 59% of rapes were not reported to law enforcement.[34][35] One factor relating to this is the misconception that most rapes are committed by strangers.[36] In reality, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, 38% of victims were raped by a friend or acquaintance, 28% by "an intimate" and 7% by another relative, and 26% were committed by a stranger to the victim. About four out of ten sexual assaults take place at the victim's own home.[37]

Drug use, especially alcohol, is frequently involved in rape. In 47% of rapes, both the victim and the perpetrator had been drinking. In 17%, only the perpetrator had been. 7% of the time, only the victim had been drinking. Rapes where neither the victim nor the perpetrator had been drinking were 29% of all rapes.[38]

Contrary to widespread belief, rape outdoors is rare. Over two thirds of all rapes occur in someone's home. 30.9% occur in the perpetrators' homes, 26.6% in the victims' homes and 10.1% in homes shared by the victim and perpetrator. 7.2% occur at parties, 7.2% in vehicles, 3.6% outdoors and 2.2% in bars.[38]

According to a statistical average over the past 5 years, about 60% of all rapes or sexual assaults in the United States are never reported to the authorities. For college students, the figure is 95%, noted in the Fisher, Cullen and Turner study cited above.

The most common reasons given by victims for not reporting rapes are the belief that it is a personal or private matter, and that they fear reprisal from the assailant. A 2007 government report in England says "Estimates from research suggest that between 75 and 95 percent of rape crimes are never reported to the police."[6]

So if we can trust this information it may have more to do with Provo being a college town than a religious issue.

It's also hard to get statistics that are apple to apple on this issue from other countries as there are different ideas of the definition of rape, and there are differences in record keeping of what is recorded, reported etc.

It also seems that most of the rapes involve people that are known to the victim, which also makes it more difficult for whatever reason for it to be reported. My personal opinion is that it has more to do with shock and knowing what to do and how to handle it (awareness and training) than it does with religion.

 

[colton]

This is the first result I found on Google. Didn't look at the others:

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/515039389/90-of-Provo-rapes-not-reported-to-police.html

The police officer is just going with his gut feeling. There's no research there.

But 90% might well be an accurate stat. It would fit in with the nation-wide statistics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
"Estimates from research suggest that between 75 and 95 percent of rape crimes are never reported to the police." (A British study, actually)

https://www.aclu.org/blog/womens-rights/new-report-shows-95-campus-rapes-go-unreported
"The figure of campus rapes that go unreported is 95 percent"

Again, as far as I know there is absolutely no evidence that LDS women in Utah report rapes at any rate different than the national average.

 

[colton]

How many rapes does the typical non-patriarchal society rapist get away with before the police arrest him?

Good question. The better question is how many date rapes he can perform in a single year. This man's name was known to all of his victims, was it not? he met them in church functions or on-line dating services.

What's the general reporting rate of acquaintance rape?

https://www.aaets.org/arts/art13.htm

Koss (1988) reports that only two percent of acquaintance rape survivors report their experiences to the police. This compared with the 21 percent who reported rape by a stranger to the police.

Attributing the non-reporting of these rapes to LDS culture is stupid. You are letting your biases rule your judgment.

 

[colton]

So the score is:
One Brow: 1
Colton: 0

Lemmon said most Provo residents are religious and have a tendency to stigmatize discussion of sexual assault and sometimes to demonize the survivor.

There's no data there. The police officer is just giving his anecdotal impression. This undoubtedly happens some in Provo, as it undoubtedly happens some nation wide. But with 95% of campus rapes going unreported, assuming that stat is accurate, I don't think anything about this can be attributed to LDS culture.

 

[TroutBum]

I always see people moaning about One Brow's personality or agenda or whatever. But I never see many refutations of his arguments. :/

Have you not seen this same scenario with Salty? There are some people that it just isn't worth arguing about, because no matter what you say, they will spin it until it vomits. It's fun with Salty, because he's dumber than a sack of hair -- it's not so fun with OneBlow because he's smart, and is good at using big scary words to intimidate casual posters. Frankly, it's just not fun to argue with him.

 

[The Thriller]

I think rape report comes down to the embarrassment/sadness/inability to prove the incident. I can't speak for women who have been raped, but I imagine the vast majority try and close their minds to it and try and forget the incident. While others who may desire to report it cannot prove it (so why even report it anyway?).

 

[JJ Rage]

The world has always been this awful of a place. The internet is just making it easier and easier to see.

"Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised."

- Marilyn Manson

 

[Revolution 9]

Can we get back on track, and talk about what a pompous evil scumbag this loser is?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

There's no data there. The police officer is just giving his anecdotal impression. This undoubtedly happens some in Provo, as it undoubtedly happens some nation wide. But with 95% of campus rapes going unreported, assuming that stat is accurate, I don't think anything about this can be attributed to LDS culture.

"I'm a perversion to the good saints of my church," wrote the victim, who said she wished she were dead.

How about a quote from the victim that clearly states the LDS church as a reason for her silence?

This cop has served in Provo for 25 years, it's not like his opinion is just some baseless thing.

 

[leftyjace]

What about when they take the cucumber out of the fridge?

Hence my statement of qualification.

 

[Duck Rodgers]

How about a quote from the victim that clearly states the LDS church as a reason for her silence?

This cop has served in Provo for 25 years, it's not like his opinion is just some baseless thing.

He's a BYU cop. That's rent-a-cop status in Provo. I wouldn't trust his application of anything to city wide projections.

 

[One Brow]

One Brow - I surrender. I cannot spin and twist with the ease and experience you exhibit.

I would hate to think there would be a legitimate point to looking at the way we raise women, and the shamefulness we attach to their sexuality. Spinning and twisting is a much better way to see this.

 

[One Brow]

I had this nice cleverly organized response, but decided not to pull the trigger on it, it was too mean for me to actually hit the post button.
I'm walking way. Carry on with your agenda.

Supporters of the patriarchy don't really want to address their privilege. Blaiming the opponent and walking away are two common defenses.

 

[One Brow]

He was just getting started with that pretending to be innocent post.

Actually, it was a legitimate attempt to start a discussion about the degree to which the culture of the USA makes it even more difficult for rape victims, increasing their victimization, and how that helps serial rapists. Nothing "innocent" about it.

In some ways he reminds me of Salty, and we should know by now that Salty will never, ever, ever admit he was wrong on even a single point.

On the other hand, I do acknowledge errors and mistakes, from time to time.

I think Brow is going to be bothered with your post because it did not address the issue, it was just tagging people. Shame on you.

Siromar did not mention any specific person, and said discussing the issue was more important. I think the correct amount of shame should be visited on Siromar for that.

 

[One Brow]

I hate them too. Unless they're hot females. Then they can force me to have heterosexual intercourse with them all they want.

Because raping a male is joke, and not traumatic for men. After all, men are just sex beasts, and women need to adjust their behavior for men who can't control themselves.

 

[One Brow]

If he had an argument, perhaps a refutation would be appropriate. But here he has just posted crap with no real evidence.

So, colton, if we posted testimonies of rape victims on how they were shamed, statistics on rape not being taken seriously, etc., then you might consider that certain cultures make reporting rape more difficult, but for now you consider that hypothesis so unlikely that it is crap?

I can certainly help you find that evidence, if you are really not aware of it and truly interested.

 

[One Brow]

Let's be very clear: OneBrow was not talking about patriarchal societies in general. He was talking about the LDS society in specific.

I was discussing the LDS sub-culture as an example of the more highly patriarchal culture. My intent was more general than specific.

After all, the messenger does matter more than the message.

 

[One Brow]

Attributing the non-reporting of these rapes to LDS culture is stupid. You are letting your biases rule your judgment.

If I were referring to the religious beliefs of the LDS culture, I would agree that would be stupid.

 

[colton]

So, colton, if we posted testimonies of rape victims on how they were shamed, statistics on rape not being taken seriously, etc., then you might consider that certain cultures make reporting rape more difficult, but for now you consider that hypothesis so unlikely that it is crap?

Undoubtedly that is true. It was your assertion that LDS women in specific make good rape targets that I was objecting to.

 

[One Brow]

Undoubtedly that is true. It was your assertion that LDS women in specific make good rape targets that I was objecting to.

Care to test your hypothesis?

Ask me if this is a problem within the atheist subculture. Compare my response to your expected response.

Alternatively, just keep make assumptions and walk away. It's not like your a science geek or anything, right?