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Hayward getting extension???

I don't know. Maybe I just see all the times he tries to take someone off the dribble or use the pick and roll and having it get stripped or him losing the handle and it discourages me.

While I see this at times also Hayward has a 2/1 assist to TO ratio. Most of those assists coming of him being a ball handler. He well never be PG good when it comes to handles he is just to tall and lanky. But from a wing position he is much better than average
 
Maybe I'm being harsh about his handles. Sounds like I'm in the minority on this. That's good for us if true.
 
Hayward's first step, strength, quickness and finishing ability are why he's not an effective scorer off the dribble. Even with his somewhat high dribble, he does a decent job protecting the ball.
 
Horrible list. Do you even watch teams other than the Jazz?

A lot. Like A LOT. But since you didn't say anything specific I don't have anything to respond to.

I don't agree with Batum, DeRozan, Lee, Randolph and Gallinari being a bad deals. They are at least fair and actually I think DeRozan is good deal for Raptors. Bosh is bad deal IMHO and same with Pekovic, he got overpaid badly.

In other words I rated 80+ deals and you largely agree with the other 90%. That's fine. Like I said, reasonable people could disagree.

Batum has like $33 million coming over the next three seasons. Based on his production and league average PER that's probably $9-10 million too high total in my estimation. But it's debatable.

DeRozan sucks. David Lee actually makes the Warriors worse when he's on the court. Randolph is debatable but I think he's being paid as if he's a perennial ALL-NBA contender when he's actually simply a borderline-allstar. Gallinari is a purported shooting specialist that shoots 42% from the field. Bosh gets judged as "fair" because he's a package deal with the best contract in the NBA and contributed to winning two championships. Miami got what they paid for. My opinion of Pekovich is probably higher than average.
 
Hayward's first step, strength, quickness and finishing ability are why he's not an effective scorer off the dribble.

In other words: Hayward's not a good scorer off the dribble because of everything observable about Gordon Hayward. :)
 
Hayward's first step, strength, quickness and finishing ability are why he's not an effective scorer off the dribble. Even with his somewhat high dribble, he does a decent job protecting the ball.

I think we will see an increase in his strength this year. He looks pretty damn ripped.
 
In other words: Hayward's not a good scorer off the dribble because of everything observable about Gordon Hayward. :)
More or less. I was responding to the discussion about his "handle"...who the **** cares how tight your handle is if you're 3'7'' and blind?
 
A lot. Like A LOT. But since you didn't say anything specific I don't have anything to respond to.



In other words I rated 80+ deals and you largely agree with the other 90%. That's fine. Like I said, reasonable people could disagree.

Batum has like $33 million coming over the next three seasons. Based on his production and league average PER that's probably $9-10 million too high total in my estimation. But it's debatable.

DeRozan sucks. David Lee actually makes the Warriors worse when he's on the court. Randolph is debatable but I think he's being paid as if he's a perennial ALL-NBA contender when he's actually simply a borderline-allstar. Gallinari is a purported shooting specialist that shoots 42% from the field. Bosh gets judged as "fair" because he's a package deal with the best contract in the NBA and contributed to winning two championships. Miami got what they paid for. My opinion of Pekovich is probably higher than average.


I think your scale is off- Lebron is worth 40 mil a year. But he can't be paid that much so it throws the whole thing out of whack.
 
I don't see how it could be a richer deal than Favors. I think Lindsay is smarter than offering Hayward a max deal and I think favors would command more on the open market than Hayward would, as agile, rim protectors that can play the 4 or 5 with some offense are very rare. Maybe the richer part comes from a year longer, like a 5yr/ $50m with the fifth year being a player option.

I agree, Lindsay is always talking about team flexibility and giving the max to Hayward would take a lot of that away.
 
He's deceptively athletic.

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Batum has like $33 million coming over the next three seasons. Based on his production and league average PER that's probably $9-10 million too high total in my estimation. But it's debatable.

DeRozan sucks. David Lee actually makes the Warriors worse when he's on the court. Randolph is debatable but I think he's being paid as if he's a perennial ALL-NBA contender when he's actually simply a borderline-allstar. Gallinari is a purported shooting specialist that shoots 42% from the field. Bosh gets judged as "fair" because he's a package deal with the best contract in the NBA and contributed to winning two championships. Miami got what they paid for. My opinion of Pekovich is probably higher than average.

Ok I just want to address DeRozan as others kind of matter of taste or preference( to me Bosh is not worth that money just because he is soft and does not do anything well to justify such a big contract, yes he helped to win those rings riding coattails of Wade and LBJ but replace him with any 10mil making PF and they win it too, and maybe even in shorter series.).
DeMar is top 10 in all NBA at getting to the line, excellent mid range shooter and post up player for SG and finisher at the rim. Not a good 3 point shooter but at least he is not chucking them. Decent passer and decent defender. For 10mil a year athletic SG with tons of upside I think it would be crazy to rate his deal as bad - it is very good deal and will look even better after couple years. 18.1pts, 3.9reb...not sure why he sucks in your opinion, I can easily see him averaging 20pts per game this season.
 
DeMar is top 10 in all NBA at getting to the line, excellent mid range shooter and post up player for SG and finisher at the rim.

I'm not certain where you're getting that information. I actually show him as averaging the same number of Free throws per game as Pekovic.

https://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/free-throws/sort/avgFreeThrowsAttempted

If this is on a FTA/shot basis I'm not totally certain how valuable that metric is, but I suspect he's below some guys like Corey Maggette for whom that is essentially their primary NBA skill.

If it's on a pure FT made basis then I guess it's accurate, but raw counting numbers aren't particularly meaningful.

Not a good 3 point shooter but at least he is not chucking them. Decent passer and decent defender. For 10mil a year athletic SG with tons of upside I think it would be crazy to rate his deal as bad - it is very good deal and will look even better after couple years. 18.1pts, 3.9reb...not sure why he sucks in your opinion, I can easily see him averaging 20pts per game this season.

I think he's a volume scorer with poor shot selection and limited range. I saw that he was one of the players that took the most jumpshots in the league (he was in the top 20%) but was in the bottom quartile of the league on efficiency for those shots. That's not the profile of a guy I want making $10 million a year. I don't want Monta Ellis at those numbers either and he's posted 20+ppg before.
 
Maybe I'm being harsh about his handles. Sounds like I'm in the minority on this. That's good for us if true.

He used to play PG until he grew an ton over a year. That's one of the things I think is underrated about his game. In fact, I think he could play point forward a la Nemanja Bjelica.
 
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