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Where did Paul Millsap go?

This thread is incredible.

The Jazz have been consistently good with Millsap on the court (6th in the NBA in adjusted +/-, outscoring his opposite number and providing good team D). They have been consistently bad with Big Al on the court (who seems to get outplayed by opposing bigs almost every game). They have been ****ing terrible with Memo on the court (no big surprise).

Why the **** would anyone want to sit Millsap in favor of Memo/Big Al at this point?
 
NUMBERICA said:
Are you living in the 80's? PFs are play like taller SFs did in the 80's. The game has become increasingly perimeter-based, and the evolution of the PF in the NBA is evidence of that.
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Don't see your argument. Power forwards are not built for speed. They are jumpshooters though and big al can make jumpshots.
 
GVC said:
This thread is incredible.

The Jazz have been consistently good with Millsap on the court (6th in the NBA in adjusted +/-, outscoring his opposite number and providing good team D). They have been consistently bad with Big Al on the court (who seems to get outplayed by opposing bigs almost every game). They have been ****ing terrible with Memo on the court (no big surprise).

Why the **** would anyone want to sit Millsap in favor of Memo/Big Al at this point?
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In what way is millsap playing better than big al? Definitely not ourrebounding al. Also millsap is definitely not playing better defense then al.
 
GVC said:
This thread is incredible.

The Jazz have been consistently good with Millsap on the court (6th in the NBA in adjusted +/-, outscoring his opposite number and providing good team D). They have been consistently bad with Big Al on the court (who seems to get outplayed by opposing bigs almost every game). They have been ****ing terrible with Memo on the court (no big surprise).

Why the **** would anyone want to sit Millsap in favor of Memo/Big Al at this point?
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Yeah, we've definitely been "bad" with Big Al on the floor. We're definitely winning games in the 10-12 minutes in which he's benched.
 
DukeJazz said:
In what way is millsap playing better than big al? Definitely not ourrebounding al. Also millsap is definitely not playing better defense then al.
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Really? He's shooting nearly 10% better from the floor, his team and transition play (on both ends of the floor) are head and shoulders above Big Al's. Big Al has been an incredible disappointment thus far, and less than 1 block and rebound per game doesn't change that.

At the 5, per 48 minutes, Big Al is shooting .475 efg%, with 4.4 FTA (19.4 FGA), 11.8 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 2.4 blocks and 1.7 turnovers.
His opposite number at the 5, per 48 minutes, is shooting .481 efg%, with 5.4 FTA (15.3 FGA), 15.4 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 2.6 blocks and 2.6 turnovers.

At the 4, per 48 minutes, Sap is shooting .563 efg%, with 6.2FTA (17.8 FGA), 11.1 rebounds, 3.3 assists, 1.2 blocks and 1.8 turnovers.
His opposite number at the 4, per 48 minutes, is shooting .507 efg%, with 5.8 FTA (16.7 FGA), 12.0 rebounds, 2.6 assists, 0.9 blocks and 3.1 turnovers.

So, Big Al is being outshot by .006 efg%, outrebounded by 3.6 per 48, outblocked by 0.2 per 48. He also shoots about 1 less free throw per 48, despite taking 4 more shots per game.

Paul's opposite number has him in the rebounding department by 0.9 rebounds per 48, but gets absolutely killed in every other stat. Paul also runs the floor, defends the PnR and plays well within the team concept.

There is no comparison. Paul has easily outplayed Big Al this season. How anyone could argue against that, I don't understand.
 
Marty McFly said:
Yeah, we've definitely been "bad" with Big Al on the floor. We're definitely winning games in the 10-12 minutes in which he's benched.
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With Sap on the court, the Jazz have outscored their opponents by 102 points total.

With Francisco on the court, the Jazz have outscored their opponents by 30 points total.

With Fes on the court, the Jazz have outscored their opponents by 61 points total.

With Big Al on the court, the Jazz have outscored their opponents by 10 points total.

The Jazz have not been good with Big Al on the court.
 
GVC said:
Good comeback. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you had nothing substantive to add. Par for the course.
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Dude. You're being ridiculous. First you said the Jazz are "bad" with Jefferson on the floor. My argument? He plays lots of minutes, and we've been a really good team this year. If we were a "bad" team with him on the floor we wouldn't be tailing the West's elite. If you really believe your +/- stats, I'm guessing you'd be fine with playing Fesenko or Elson 40 minutes a game in Jefferson's spot?

Additionally, Jazz were almost always a better team with Bozzer off the floor, yet you still sing his praises whenever you can and probably believe we were better with him.

Par for the course.
 
Marty McFly said:
Yeah, we've definitely been "bad" with Big Al on the floor. We're definitely winning games in the 10-12 minutes in which he's benched.
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Actually, Marty, "we" are--although it's hard sometimes to compensate for inconsistent performance of AJ and others (specifically Bell).

As GVC so eloquently pointed out, the team has scored a TOTAL of a net 10 points (now 11 points as of yesterday) more than the opposition with Jefferson on the court, which equates to less than a point per game (0.5 points per 48 minutes). With Jefferson off the court, the Jazz have scored more than 11 points per 48 minutes, or about 20 times the production when Al is on the court.

Jefferson is barely outscoring the opposing center, either--to the tune of less than a point per game.

Among the starters, only Bell is doing worse. By contrast, Millsap is outscoring the opposing PF, despite the height disadvantage on average, the team is outscoring the opposition when he's on the court, and the team is barely breaking even when he's not.

I'm going to need another wax on that Beamer, Marty, before you go home for the day.
 
GVC said:
Really? He's shooting nearly 10% better from the floor, his team and transition play (on both ends of the floor) are head and shoulders above Big Al's. Big Al has been an incredible disappointment thus far, and less than 1 block and rebound per game doesn't change that.

At the 5, per 48 minutes, Big Al is shooting .475 efg%, with 4.4 FTA (19.4 FGA), 11.8 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 2.4 blocks and 1.7 turnovers.
His opposite number at the 5, per 48 minutes, is shooting .481 efg%, with 5.4 FTA (15.3 FGA), 15.4 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 2.6 blocks and 2.6 turnovers.

At the 4, per 48 minutes, Sap is shooting .563 efg%, with 6.2FTA (17.8 FGA), 11.1 rebounds, 3.3 assists, 1.2 blocks and 1.8 turnovers.
His opposite number at the 4, per 48 minutes, is shooting .507 efg%, with 5.8 FTA (16.7 FGA), 12.0 rebounds, 2.6 assists, 0.9 blocks and 3.1 turnovers.

So, Big Al is being outshot by .006 efg%, outrebounded by 3.6 per 48, outblocked by 0.2 per 48. He also shoots about 1 less free throw per 48, despite taking 4 more shots per game.

Paul's opposite number has him in the rebounding department by 0.9 rebounds per 48, but gets absolutely killed in every other stat. Paul also runs the floor, defends the PnR and plays well within the team concept.

There is no comparison. Paul has easily outplayed Big Al this season. How anyone could argue against that, I don't understand.
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Can you look up stats before you post and not just guess? Big al is avergaing almost 2 blocks a game. 1.8. That is pretty good for a center. Do you not watch the jazz play?Also the per 48 doesn't matter as much as what they actually play a night. Funny how people try to prove a player they hate that they are worse then another by choosing rediculous stats. Major facepalm.
 
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