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The Reason Why NFL Ratings Are Declining

trigg3r said:
Pages A62-63 of the league rulebook:

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition.

It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”
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I'd like a link for that. The NFL just held a meeting with specific players, where the league told players they wouldn't have to stand. There's also the entire steelers team that didn't come out for the anthem in one game. Obviously they didn't get suspended and I haven't heard about the team being fined. Also thought it was common knowledge that unlike the NBA there wasn't a rule that said u had to stand, but that they (the players) were encouraged to stand.


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Thee jazz fan said:
I'd like a link for that. The NFL just held a meeting with specific players, where the league told players they wouldn't have to stand. There's also the entire steelers team that didn't come out for the anthem in one game. Obviously they didn't get suspended and I haven't heard about the team being fined. Also thought it was common knowledge that unlike the NBA there wasn't a rule that said u had to stand, but that they (the players) were encouraged to stand.


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You might have a point in that they are allowed to do as they wish and aren't required to stand. There's a policy versus rules debate in there according to an NFL spokesman. It still doesn't change my position in terms of my viewership going forward any different. If they want to kneel, so be it. I will still protest their actions with my own by not watching a single second or buying any merchandise. Others will feel differently and that's fine.
 
I have a hard time seeing how people think people kneeling are protesting the flag or disrespecting soldiers. That is not at all what they are doing. I understand some feel that is what they are doing.

None of the NFL players used to stand for the national anthem a few years ago. Why didn't anyone act upset then?
 
Ron Mexico said:
I have a hard time seeing how people think people kneeling are protesting the flag or disrespecting soldiers. That is not at all what they are doing. I understand some feel that is what they are doing.

None of the NFL players used to stand for the national anthem a few years ago. Why didn't anyone act upset then?
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None stood a few years ago, why? This is the first I've heard of that.


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Thee jazz fan said:
None stood a few years ago, why? This is the first I've heard of that.


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They only started coming onto the field in 2009. Before that they stayed in the locker room and most didn't do anything for the anthem.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I have a hard time seeing how people think people kneeling are protesting the flag or disrespecting soldiers. That is not at all what they are doing. I understand some feel that is what they are doing.

None of the NFL players used to stand for the national anthem a few years ago. Why didn't anyone act upset then?
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When was this? I was unaware. If this is true and I knew it then I would've stopped watching sooner. This is all about racial injustice to them. Any demonstration or protest involving the flag immediately feels like disrespect to that flag and those that fought for it IMO. You may disagree and that's fine. We won't agree on this. I will always find it to be shameful. Had they used a different way of illustrating their point then I would've been a lot more receptive to it.
 
trigg3r said:
When was this? I was unaware. If this is true and I knew it then I would've stopped watching sooner. This is all about racial injustice to them. Any demonstration or protest involving the flag immediately feels like disrespect to that flag and those that fought for it IMO. You may disagree and that's fine. We won't agree on this. I will always find it to be shameful. Had they used a different way of illustrating their point then I would've been a lot more receptive to it.
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I now recall the military paying the league to have them come out and stand to help with recruiting to the military


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trigg3r said:
When was this? I was unaware. If this is true and I knew it then I would've stopped watching sooner. This is all about racial injustice to them. Any demonstration or protest involving the flag immediately feels like disrespect to that flag and those that fought for it IMO. You may disagree and that's fine. We won't agree on this. I will always find it to be shameful. Had they used a different way of illustrating their point then I would've been a lot more receptive to it.
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Fortunately for them it has been a very successful peaceful protest. It has brought attention to the issue and helped get change with that issue.

I guess I see them kneeling for the flag as being very patriotic. I don't see a better way to peacefully protest to a very real and serious issue. I'm glad players are not violently or disruptively protesting.
 
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Ron Mexico said:
They only started coming onto the field in 2009. Before that they stayed in the locker room and most didn't do anything for the anthem.
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That's different as pointed out. The ability to kneel at that time wasn't there. I don't even recall many broadcasts even showing the National Anthem but maybe they did. It's been a long time so you must excuse my memory on that.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
That's different then what's going on now


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It is different, they weren't protesting but no one cared what they did back then or were upset when someone didn't stand for the anthem. No one got upset about the issue or feel people were disrespectful for not standing during the anthem.

That's the point, people are only mad at this. Which means they are not mad about not standing. They are mad about something else. The racism is a bigger issue, this is just a way for people to be against it but pretend to ignore the real problem.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Fortunately for them it has been a very successful peaceful protest. It has brought attention to the issue and helped get change with that issue.

I guess see them kneeling for the flag as being very patriotic. I don't see a better way to peacefully protest to a very real and serious issue. I'm glad players are not violently or disruptively protesting.
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I'll never see kneeling for the anthem as patriotic. Or burning a flag for that matter which they haven't done of course. I will not disagree about the protest being peaceful. I will disagree that it has helped get positive change. It's made us talk about it. But it has also separated us into two segments. People that applaud it and those that don't. You are going to have a tough time persuading some people to your side when you do something like that. That's just my 2 cents. I wish you both a good evening. This is the last response I will devote to this thread.
 
trigg3r said:
I'll never see kneeling for the anthem as patriotic. Or burning a flag for that matter which they haven't done of course. I will not disagree about the protest being peaceful. I will disagree that it has helped get positive change. It's made us talk about it. But it has also separated us into two segments. People that applaud it and those that don't. You are going to have a tough time persuading some people to your side when you do something like that. That's just my 2 cents. I wish you both a good evening. This is the last response I will devote to this thread.
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What are they protesting? It has gone significantly down. Just because some people choose to ignore the real issue and find something to be offended about doesn't mean it hasn't been very effective. It's only decisive because people choose to make it decisive and be offended.

What are your suggestions to bring attention to this issue that would get you involved and helping?

Police policies have been rapidly changing for the better and police violence is going down since the protests began.
 
trigg3r said:
You might have a point in that they are allowed to do as they wish and aren't required to stand. There's a policy versus rules debate in there according to an NFL spokesman. It still doesn't change my position in terms of my viewership going forward any different. If they want to kneel, so be it. I will still protest their actions with my own by not watching a single second or buying any merchandise. Others will feel differently and that's fine.
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But if you're not watching how will you know if they stopped kneeling?
 
trigg3r said:
feels like disrespect to that flag and those that fought for it IMO.
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Did someone actually fight for a flag? Like another country got a hold of our flag and so we sent soldiers to take it back?
Or was it more like the flag told people to go fight and the soldiers obeyed?
 
trigg3r said:
I'll never see kneeling for the anthem as patriotic. Or burning a flag for that matter which they haven't done of course. I will not disagree about the protest being peaceful. I will disagree that it has helped get positive change. It's made us talk about it. But it has also separated us into two segments. People that applaud it and those that don't. You are going to have a tough time persuading some people to your side when you do something like that. That's just my 2 cents. I wish you both a good evening. This is the last response I will devote to this thread.
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A US Marine is the one who told Kaepernik to kneel because it was respectful. So if you are patriotic and such, shouldn't you listen to what a Marine says?
 
Ron Mexico said:
It is different, they weren't protesting but no one cared what they did back then or were upset when someone didn't stand for the anthem. No one got upset about the issue or feel people were disrespectful for not standing during the anthem.

That's the point, people are only mad at this. Which means they are not mad about not standing. They are mad about something else. The racism is a bigger issue, this is just a way for people to be against it but pretend to ignore the real problem.
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No one gets mad when I'm at bar or restaurant watching a sporting event and the National anthem gets played and people don't stand.

I had a superbowl party a few years back and no one stood for the anthem. I didn't even get mad.
 
whenever I see people crow about NFL protests being disrespectful and counterproductive I’m reminded of a poll that was done back during the civil rights era. Turns out the majority of whites then thought that the methods MLK was using were disrespectful and more harmful than helpful.

I’m of the mind that we didn’t send men to die by the thousands in WW1 or WW2 for a piece of cloth, but for the ideals that piece of cloth represents, the 1st amendment chief among them, along with the idea that all men are created equal. We, as a nation, are failing on both fronts, and I’m wholly in favor of people with a platform taking a stand until we can do better.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Yes, no one turned it off even though about ten different people were mentioned by posters in the last handful of pages of having stopped watching and I personally know of at least two who stopped.
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Riiiiighhhttt...

I’m sure that a few posters on this site are like totally boycotting the leagunbecause or kneeling. Give me a break.
 
trigg3r said:
Did you actually read this thread or skip to the end? This has nothing to do with scoring political points for me. I stopped watching the moment Kaepernick started kneeling and the league along with the 49ers didn't punish him. He had every right to do it. The team and League had every right to punish him for doing it on their time and breaking League rules. They didn't. I decided to punish all involved by not watching or buying anything NFL related.

I had 2 Grandfathers that fought in WWII and Great Grandfather that fought and was gassed in WWI. Any protest involving the flag disgusts me even if it is perfectly legal. Others will undoubtedly feel differently. If you want to discuss social injustice with me then do it without disrespecting the flag. You're much more likely to get me on board and listening to you. Kneeling made me immediately turn my back on you.
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Blacks protest? They’re told to shut up, get out of roads, and get jobs.
Blacks protest that their lives matter and they’re told to shut up and all lives matter.
A handful of black athletes make a silent protest during the least watched part of the game, the twitter in chief says some Racist things, and now your side is telling blacks to shut up, stand up, and worship the flagthe way you want.

I feel bad for blacks in this country. No matter what they do a handful of trump supporters are always gonna bitch about them.
 
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