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The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

Just a wild guess. Sondland was not allowed to testify because team Trump realized he would not hide the conversation with Trump preceding the text message stating to Taylor that there was no quid pro quo. That text comment was meant to be on the record, to counter what Taylor said. Chances are Sondland would implicate Trump in a coverup if he testified. Everybody has to be lawyered up, and you don't really want to lie to these Congressional committees. He would have been really grilled on that conversation with Trump.

If Trump is covering up his quid pro quo, it will ultimately be his own words that lead to that particular article of impeachment. With Nixon, he didn't destroy the tapes, and his coverup was suddenly bathed in the light of day. I think we should expect more light on Trump via the Ukraine phone call. And I don't think the decision on Syria and the Kurds is sitting well with a lot of Americans. Would not surprise me if that is playing, or will play, into the trend upward in favor of impeachment. Absorbing that decision and comparing what we see to his self described "great and unmatched wisdom" is really jarring. The entire presidency is a cruel joke.
I have a feeling that a lot of people see the entire thing the way I do. The Dems have hated Trump since day 1 and openly dreamt about the day they would impeach him. The have kept trying and failing to keep that promise. Now they are on to the Ukrane thing where the leader of their committee literally had to make up another version of the conversation in order to come up with something as startling as the whistelblower said this was going to be. As a result of all the idiocy, Trump has concluded that participating in this circus that the Dems run and completely control would be worse for him, regardless of the facts, than sitting this one out and waiting for the investigation to implode just like all of the efforts to date have. My money is on Trump to win this fight. I can't understand how he keeps moving forward in the face of this constant chaos, but it seems to fuel him somehow.
 
Fantastic op-ed by Dana Milbank, directed at those who may have supported Trump because they liked some of his policies, but who should now ponder the larger issue of checks and balances within our government: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...b0c720-ec34-11e9-85c0-85a098e47b37_story.html

Trump began staking his title to absolute power in his first weeks in office. “The whole world will soon see, as we begin to take further actions, that the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned,” White House adviser Stephen Miller announced. He wasn’t kidding.

Trump soon stated that “I have the absolute right” to fire FBI Director James Comey. He subsequently proclaimed the “absolute right” to provide Russia with an ally’s highly classified intelligence; the “absolute right” to pardon himself; the “absolute right” to shut down the southern border; the “absolute right” to fire special counsel Robert Mueller; the “absolute right” to sign an executive order removing the Constitution’s birthright-citizenship provision; the “absolute right” to contrive a national emergency to deny Congress the power of the purse; the “absolute right” to order U.S. businesses out of China; the “absolute right” to release apparent spy-satellite imagery of Iran; and, most recently, the “absolute right” to ask other countries to furnish evidence that Joe Biden is corrupt.

Kellyanne Conway asserted Trump’s “absolute right” to give his son-in-law a security clearance over security professionals’ objections. White House counsel Pat Cipollone said current and former White House officials are “absolutely immune” from testifying before Congress. As others have noted, Trump has repeatedly said the Constitution’s Article II empowers him “to do whatever I want” and bestows on him “all of these rights at a level nobody has ever seen before.”

At a level nobody has ever seen. Now we see the corrupting effect of this claim of own absolute power:

Without troubling himself to engage in the usual consultations with lawmakers, allies and military leaders, he ordered a pullout of U.S. troops from northern Syria, setting off a Turkish invasion as well as fears of a massacre of our Kurdish allies and religious minorities (including some 50,000 Christians) and of a revival of Islamic State. He did it at the request of the repressive leader of Turkey, where Trump has boasted of his extensive business interests.

Trump declared “perfect” his phone call with the Ukrainian president, at a time when Trump was withholding military aid to that country, requesting a “favor” and asking for damaging information about Biden — a stark violation of campaign-finance law. He then publicly asked China for the same on the eve of trade talks.

He responded to the resulting impeachment inquiry in the House with a bizarre letter from Cipollone asserting, essentially, that Trump is exempt from all congressional oversight and won’t participate in this “unconstitutional inquiry” — even though the Constitution expressly gives the House “the sole Power of Impeachment.”
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Maybe [Trump supporters] will finally realize that by supporting Trump as he claims absolute power, they are clearing the way for a successor who ignores Congress and inconvenient laws to, say, expand abortion rights, gay rights, gun control and restrictions on Christian schools. Maybe they will grasp that the democratic safeguards they are now letting Trump overrun won’t be there when a future leader claims an “absolute right” to assault what they hold dear.
 
I have a feeling that a lot of people see the entire thing the way I do. The Dems have hated Trump since day 1 and openly dreamt about the day they would impeach him. The have kept trying and failing to keep that promise. Now they are on to the Ukrane thing where the leader of their committee literally had to make up another version of the conversation in order to come up with something as startling as the whistelblower said this was going to be. As a result of all the idiocy, Trump has concluded that participating in this circus that the Dems run and completely control would be worse for him, regardless of the facts, than sitting this one out and waiting for the investigation to implode just like all of the efforts to date have. My money is on Trump to win this fight. I can't understand how he keeps moving forward in the face of this constant chaos, but it seems to fuel him somehow.

If you truly believe this is all manufactured by the Democrats who are just "out to get Trump", then you're an idiot.
 


More unprincipled Obama/dem judges with no sense whatsoever.

What's the point here? Everybody knows Trump has no bones in his closet anything like Hillary or Biden. Mueller would've found them.

This investigation is insane. Anyone who hangs any "hope" on it is delusional, to put it the best possible polite terms.
 
If you truly believe this is all manufactured by the Democrats who are just "out to get Trump", then you're an idiot.

Thank you. Finally some clarity on this issue. People get so caught up arguing about this and that and miss the thing that’s most obvious.
 
If you truly believe this is all manufactured by the Democrats who are just "out to get Trump", then you're an idiot.
I predict that you are not going to like it one bit when the people who you refer to as idiots are proven right. This entire episode is being bungled beyond belief because the Dems are hellbent on orchestrating this entire fiasco to tell the story that they want it to. I am not saying that Trump is wonderful or anything close. I did not vote for him and I will not vote for him. I would love to see better candidates than those we are being offered. What I am saying in regard to all of this (and have been saying since Day One) is that trying to defeat Trump by exaggerating and overstating the facts is much more likely to have the opposite effects.
 
Guess we now know what Barr's meeting with Rupert Murdoch was about.

You honestly believe that Barr got Smith canned? How do you explain the things that Smith said when signing off which are completely contrary to that suggestion? Is Trump holding Sheppard's children hostage or something?
 
I have a feeling that a lot of people see the entire thing the way I do. The Dems have hated Trump since day 1 and openly dreamt about the day they would impeach him.

Well, I mean, the person who started this thread is a republican so........

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You honestly believe that Barr got Smith canned? How do you explain the things that Smith said when signing off which are completely contrary to that suggestion? Is Trump holding Sheppard's children hostage or something?
A generous severance package. Smith references an "agreement" that will keep him from working for a few years.
 
Well, I mean, the person who started this thread is a republican so........

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LOL. Aren't you the guy who is always arguing that every statement can't be taken 100%? Yes, there are exceptions to all rules. I guess I should have replaced "Dems" with "Trump Haters." That would definitely have been more accurate. That would leave Dems like Alan Dershowitz (who are still the voice of sanity in that party) in the proper category as well. My bad.
 
LOL. Aren't you the guy who is always arguing that every statement can't be taken 100%? Yes, there are exceptions to all rules. I guess I should have replaced "Dems" with "Trump Haters." That would definitely have been more accurate. That would leave Dems like Alan Dershowitz (who are still the voice of sanity in that party) in the proper category as well. My bad.
Or replace "Trump Haters" with "Decent Americans"

I mean we're splitting hairs at this point...
 
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