CHINA vs the NBA.

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  1. Douchebag K

    Douchebag K Well-Known Member

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    IDGAF
     
  2. colton

    colton All Around Nice Guy Staff Member

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    "However, the NBA will not put itself in a position of regulating what players, employees and team owners say or will not say on these issues. We simply could not operate that way." --Good for Adam Silver; now I hope they live up to that policy.
     
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  3. Eminence

    Eminence Well-Known Member

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    Superior moral fiber.
     
  4. colton

    colton All Around Nice Guy Staff Member

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    Doesn't seem like that should be an issue for fans though, at least not unless the cap drops so far that Europe becomes a really attractive option to quality players.
     
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  5. Ron Mexico

    Ron Mexico Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Nah, they don't really care what I have to say. I'm not important enough.
     
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  6. jom2003

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    Right now im just wishing that none of the Jazz players or coaches get into this political mess
     
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  7. vegas

    vegas Well-Known Member

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    I'm glad Ron feels safe. A few facts here. Chinese people are amazing. My parents have had several of their students visit and they are very gracious and prefer hanging out with our kids to doing tourist stuff. We have really enjoyed getting to known them. They are also highly intelligent. At least these particular students are generally attending American ivy league schools. I enjoy culture and have tried to learn what I can on these short visits.

    Here's some of the things that you cant read on the news. Most of them disobey laws such as the VPN ban, and previously somewhat openly the single child policy (sent kids to family who then claimed). In the country this wasn't enforced as much. I feel like some of these things translate to other areas. Maybe it's why some products are inferior to american made. (Pure speculation on my part) They seem to have pride as Ron has mentioned, but I also get the impression that they are not free to speak always. The government does have a high level of control. They were chosen to go to good schools. Another example. My parents returned to the area where they taught a couple years later. Many of the shops they used to visit had been moved. They had been chosen to relocate to the outskirts away from the prime real estate they used to occupy. Another interesting thing were shops that were illegal somehow, sold lululemon or whatever. They were unmarked back doors and you asked them about a product, then you entered the secret unmarked door to find a store inside. The government does monitor everything. My parents knew they were watched. Not super creepy, but they kept tabs. Chinese mormons meet seperate from american mormons. There was a student that 'joined' the communist party. This means he will work for the government. He passport was revoked and he can never leave again because of his career choice/assignment. It sucks because he really loves our kids. He also breaks the rules to face time (they have to use a VPN to video chat, but everybody does). He is monitored much more closely. Another interesting thing, in Beijing when foreign dignitaries visit, the air clears and it never rains. The last scary thing was military parades. They are filmed and everything must be perfect. You better not look out your blind to ruin the backdrop.

    I personally have no opinion on Hong Kong. I dont know enough tbh. I think it's wrong to allow governments to influence free speech. I believe my country stands for this, and basic human rights. It's a difficult question to know when we should be involved or not, but I hope we will always stand for such things.

    I also want to throw my hat in the free market concept. I much prefer power to be broken up in the free market. I believe the more the government regulates, the greater the advantage for large companies. The less people with power and money.

    Its painful to hear blanket statements that companies only look for their own. I am not well to do, building my first home at 40, but I service many well to do clients. It is the exception to find a selfish person among them. It's common for them to ask to pay before they are billed for instance. They work hard and they dont have time to be on social media to let everybody get to know who they really are, besides, who would believe.

    It's been interesting to hear other perspectives here and especially neat to hear more insight from Ron. I hope we all keep open minds. Divided we fall.

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  9. NUMBERICA

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    Because mindless greed is killing us all and that is plainly, obviously too much ****ing money.
     
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  10. yamers

    yamers Well-Known Member

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    China running rampage. Got all these ceos and companies by the balls.

    Apple removed the flag of taiwan from their keyboard.
     
  11. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    Thanks for that explanation

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  12. fishonjazz

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    Wasn't the revolutionary war all about our Independence from England. Maybe we should have just made signs and marched peacefully instead.
    Same thing for the civil war. People who opposed slavery should have just peacefully protested.

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  13. fishonjazz

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    I don't think it should be called free speech when there is a very very large consequence/punishment/penalty for the speech. I call that very expensive speech.

    Like if Morey's punishment for his tweet (which wasn't even offensive in the first place) was that he gets executed by decapitation then you could still say he was able to exercise his free speech (he was still able to say what he said) and that he knew the consequences would be death so it's his own fault really.

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  14. fishonjazz

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    Americans who wanted Independence from England should have just backed down after being warned repeatedly right?

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  15. Jazzmix

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    It's really interesting how that situation will play out. What are Chinese expectations? Should Morey be sent to them so they can put him in correction camp? They still seem to be pissed of despite of apologies from the NBA. I even read some rumours that a broadcasting deal with whole NBA may be in danger. I understand that from their point of view they had to make some noise about it to show how tough and strong they are. But if they continue further that way it can lead to the situation when more people will just have enough of keeping mouth shut. If whole western world of sport unites in protest it will make them look really stupid. But maybe it will all quietly settle down, Morey will be kicked out of NBA for good, money will start flowing again and in the future everyone will think twice before tweeting anything.
     
  16. vegas

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    You try all those things first, but at some point the price of freedom is blood.
     
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  17. fishonjazz

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    Yep. Sometimes violence is the appropriate and right thing.

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  18. AlaskanAssassin

    AlaskanAssassin Well-Known Member

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    Not sure I understand what your point is here. Unless the government has punished Morey directly, his rights to free speech have not been violated. There will always be consequences for the things we say and express. When the government is restricting speech, that's the problem.
     
  19. fishonjazz

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    There is my point right there. Free speech is a lie. There is plenty of cost that comes with speech. As it should.

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  20. AlaskanAssassin

    AlaskanAssassin Well-Known Member

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    We're comparing the situation in Hong Kong to the Revolutionary War now? A study from 2016, performed in Hong Kong, revealed that only 17.4% of Hong Kong citizens supported independence AFTER 2047, when the current agreement ends. The large majority, 70%, want to continue the "One Country, Two Systems" agreement. 14% supported direct governance from China.

    https://www.hongkongfp.com/2016/07/...ependence-2047-especially-youth-cuhk-survery/

    This situation is nothing like the Revolutionary War. Are Americans supporting an independence war between Hong Kong and China, along with all of the death and carnage that would follow? When you look at it in this light, it's easy to understand why China doesn't want Western culture making the situation worse.

    When Morey tweets "Fight for Freedom, Stand with Hong Kong", he's adding fuel to a fire that he doesn't completely understand.
     
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