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CHINA vs the NBA.

capitalism is when u prioritize the bottom line above all things.

the nba understands that they have a progressive sports league image in north america, which is why they had to get rid of donald sterling.

in asia, being progressive gets them blacklisted, so they tow the company line.

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There's an unfortunate neo-colonial, imperialist slant in much of the criticism of China-- but at the end of the day this is a fascist nation placing people in concentration camps, and imprisoning political activists for decades. The NBA has embarrassed themselves.
 
jom2003 said:
That's why I highly encourage people to actually visit China, talk to real Chinese people, or do some study on China before taking sides in this ongoing Hong Kong conflict. Politics is a mess. Don't get involved until you are ready to.
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Visited China, talked to Chinese people, easy conclusion that Chinese people when supporting their government are the worst people alive. Hong Kong government is absolute crap too.

Taking the side against the Chinese government in Hong Kong issue is the right side the take
 
aussietin said:
Visited China, talked to Chinese people, easy conclusion that Chinese people when supporting their government are the worst people alive. Hong Kong government is absolute crap too.

Taking the side against the Chinese government in Hong Kong issue is the right side the take
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Fair enough. Go for it.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I think they are low because there are cameras everywhere, punishments are harsh, and there is less poverty/need to commit crime out of desperation.
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Less poverty than what? China still has a really low median income, although granted better than it was 20-30 years ago.
 
colton said:
Less poverty than what? China still has a really low median income, although granted better than it was 20-30 years ago.
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Less than what it was, starving for a huge portion of their country. Pretty much everyone has a roof over there heads and has plenty to eat. More than 850 million people were living in extreme poverty in 1981 in China. That was 88% of their country. It is now less than 1%. That is according to the World Bank a company that USA is the majority share holder of. But by any statistic the countries poverty rates have dropped significantly since about 1990. I dont know that any country has seen such a dramatic difference in the quality of life that China has. Its still very much a developing country.

One thing I like in China is that your home city is responsible for you. If you move to a big city or somewhere and you become homeless they will send you back to where you are from and the city is required to help you get on your feet with food, home, and work. Although they dont really have the drug addiction problems USA does that cause a lot of homelessness or keep people homeless so it can be easier.

They still have work to do but the change is significant and very impressive.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Less than what it was, starving for a huge portion of their country.
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Ok, just wanted the clarification. Their median household income is still something like only 1/6 of the U.S. But yes, definitely better than it used to be.
 
For comparison China went from 88% of their country in extreme poverty to less than 1%. USA during that time has gone from 1.7% to about 4.3% during that same time.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Less than what it was, starving for a huge portion of their country. Pretty much everyone has a roof over there heads and has plenty to eat. More than 850 million people were living in extreme poverty in 1981 in China. That was 88% of their country. It is now less than 1%. That is according to the World Bank a company that USA is the majority share holder of. But by any statistic the countries poverty rates have dropped significantly since about 1990. I dont know that any country has seen such a dramatic difference in the quality of life that China has. Its still very much a developing country.

One thing I like in China is that your home city is responsible for you. If you move to a big city or somewhere and you become homeless they will send you back to where you are from and the city is required to help you get on your feet with food, home, and work. Although they dont really have the drug addiction problems USA does that cause a lot of homelessness or keep people homeless so it can be easier.

They still have work to do but the change is significant and very impressive.
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Man... Are you a professor living in China or something?
 
colton said:
Ok, just wanted the clarification. Their median household income is still something like only 1/6 of the U.S. But yes, definitely better than it used to be.
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That is the sad part. We have a far high median yet a larger percentage living in extreme poverty. For a country as rich as our with an average standard of living it should be an easy feat for us to have less people living in extreme poverty. Yet its getting worse not better here.

Also keep in mind that things are much much much cheaper here. You need far less money for the most part to live well here. The only thing that is similar is housing prices in the big cities like Beijing and Shanghai.

China probably will never be at the same level as USA for median household income. But that is also due to how rural most of china is and the type of country it is. They have been doing things a certain way for a long long time.
 
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jom2003 said:
Yeah, wish there are more people like you here to speak on this issue. Way too many "ban China", "stand for democracy" empty talks...
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Well, thanks. Dont get me wrong there are many problems here in China and things I dont like but there are lots of great things and positives as well. China has such a rich long history that the USA cant even begin to compare to. There is a lot of national pride here in China, just like in the USA.

Another issue with the Hong Kong is simply the whole situation to begin with of the terrible things England did to China in the war. Many people take the whole situation very personal and people who are taking Hong Kongs side are siding with what England did to China as well.
 
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